Bill brasky 15,030 Posted January 13 Report Share Posted January 13 9 minutes ago, Donald Trump said: The Dems in collaboration with Big Tech and liberal media are trying to bait MAGA supporters into committing acts of violence on Inauguration Day so they can start a domestic version of the War on Terror. Yup Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bran 12,963 Posted January 13 Report Share Posted January 13 Oh War on Terror 2.0 is already coming for conservative groups, inciting violence on Inauguration Day will just be the cherry on top. I expect ANTIFA and BLM have something already planned. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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Manhattan 2,850 Posted January 13 Report Share Posted January 13 21 minutes ago, bran said: Oh War on Terror 2.0 is already coming for conservative groups, inciting violence on Inauguration Day will just be the cherry on top. I expect a CIA run false flag followed by MSM psyop. Fixed for accuracy Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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bacardimayne 21,812 Posted January 13 Report Share Posted January 13 Guns N' Zipties Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bill brasky 15,030 Posted January 13 Report Share Posted January 13 That's not the Hanson boys all grown up ? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bran 12,963 Posted January 13 Report Share Posted January 13 Trump banned from youtube for a "minimum" of 7 days. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
wasted 6,196 Posted January 13 Report Share Posted January 13 3 hours ago, Tremolo said: I don’t think they care much about Trump, he’s on his way out. I think it has more to do with radicalizing postures. They already have the solution, they’re just breeding the problem and making it worse by the day. But second impeachment means he can’t run in 2024? Then if they paint Don as a Nazi inciting violence then he can’t even make fun of Biden on tweeter. They are basically censoring running on the issues 70 million Americans voted for. And Pelosi says people are just being selfishly white. And Biden says no help for white businesses. If this isn’t time for insurrection, when is? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Wilco 803 Posted January 13 Report Share Posted January 13 12 minutes ago, wasted said: But second impeachment means he can’t run in 2024? Then if they paint Don as a Nazi inciting violence then he can’t even make fun of Biden on tweeter. They are basically censoring running on the issues 70 million Americans voted for. And Pelosi says people are just being selfishly white. And Biden says no help for white businesses. If this isn’t time for insurrection, when is? Yes, if he's convicted in the impeachment trial, he can't run in 2024 or ever again. And depending on how loosely you define the clause in the Constitution, he also might be prohibited from running any business in America that earns a profit, as well. So if he's convicted, he's utterly fucked, beyond running again:"Judgment in Cases of Impeachment shall not extend further than to removal from Office, and disqualification to hold and enjoy any Office of honor, Trust or Profit under the United States; but the Party convicted shall nevertheless be liable and subject to Indictment, Trial, Judgment and Punishment, according to Law." The first part, depending on how loosely you choose to define it, could literally mean he would not only be disqualified from holding any office, but holding any office of any business ("office of trust or profit"). Secondly, the second bolded portion, means that impeachment does not preclude being charged in criminal court; meaning say Trump is convicted on the article - inciting insurrection - once removed from office, he could then be charged in criminal court with any range of charges from sedition up to and including treason, and the penalty for treason is death. So he's literally, possibly, if convicted looking at, I'd say at a minimum, 25 to life in prison or even possibly the death penalty. Given the Democrats' seething hatred of him, I don't see it as impossible that it would go that far. It would bring the Democratic base en masse if Trump was tried and sentenced to death in criminal court after being impeached and convicted. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Wilco 803 Posted January 13 Report Share Posted January 13 Office … under the United States = All positions created, regularized, or defeasible by federal statute including (nonelected) legislative branch positions Offices of Profit Under the United States: Offices holding regular salary or other emoluments Technically, if one applies a loose definition to the clause, if convicted Trump would be prohibited from literally holding any office that would grant him a "regular salary" aka a job. We have not had a President yet convicted during an impeachment trial, so there is not any literal precedent for the punishments thereof. However I am sure pursuing the legal code there are probably similar cases wherein lesser elected officials were impeached and removed, and those legal precedents would be used in deciding what conviction in this second impeachment would mean for Trump. But the Constitution is clear on one thing - impeachment does NOT preclude being charged with criminal offenses, or going to prison. This is a major reason why Ford pardoned Nixon in 1974; it saved Nixon from the criminal trial that was building against him. He had already been named an "unindicted conspirator" in Watergate in sealed documents before he resigned, so the legal recourse was there to try him for federal crimes in criminal court after he had resigned. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
wasted 6,196 Posted January 13 Report Share Posted January 13 8 minutes ago, Wilco said: Yes, if he's convicted in the impeachment trial, he can't run in 2024 or ever again. And depending on how loosely you define the clause in the Constitution, he also might be prohibited from running any business in America that earns a profit, as well. So if he's convicted, he's utterly fucked, beyond running again:"Judgment in Cases of Impeachment shall not extend further than to removal from Office, and disqualification to hold and enjoy any Office of honor, Trust or Profit under the United States; but the Party convicted shall nevertheless be liable and subject to Indictment, Trial, Judgment and Punishment, according to Law." The first part, depending on how loosely you choose to define it, could literally mean he would not only be disqualified from holding any office, but holding any office of any business ("office of trust or profit"). Secondly, the second bolded portion, means that impeachment does not preclude being charged in criminal court; meaning say Trump is convicted on the article - inciting insurrection - once removed from office, he could then be charged in criminal court with any range of charges from sedition up to and including treason, and the penalty for treason is death. So he's literally, possibly, if convicted looking at, I'd say at a minimum, 25 to life in prison or even possibly the death penalty. Given the Democrats' seething hatred of him, I don't see it as impossible that it would go that far. It would bring the Democratic base en masse if Trump was tried and sentenced to death in criminal court after being impeached and convicted. I’m not sure his companies make a profit, he doesn’t actually get an income from them to avoid income tax. So he pays what is known the Alternative Wealth Tax which is 40 million dollars a year. But I guess he just walks into the bar in Mar a lago and they give him a sandwich. Hold the mayo. Everything is like an expense account. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Wilco 803 Posted January 13 Report Share Posted January 13 6 minutes ago, wasted said: I’m not sure his companies make a profit, he doesn’t actually get an income from them to avoid income tax. So he pays what is known the Alternative Wealth Tax which is 40 million dollars a year. But I guess he just walks into the bar in Mar a lago and they give him a sandwich. Hold the mayo. Everything is like an expense account. His businesses may not earn a profit in the traditional sense, but he would be barred, theoretically, from holding any office in a corporation, or business which would earn him a profit - and he does profit from his businesses due to the positions he holds within them. Also, if they really want to go hard, they could potentially label his business a Trust, which would doubly disable him from earning a living. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bill brasky 15,030 Posted January 13 Report Share Posted January 13 25 minutes ago, wasted said: I’m not sure his companies make a profit, he doesn’t actually get an income from them to avoid income tax. So he pays what is known the Alternative Wealth Tax which is 40 million dollars a year. But I guess he just walks into the bar in Mar a lago and they give him a sandwich. Hold the mayo. Everything is like an expense account. A man can dream. A 24 hour a day free dunkin donuts just for me. Brasky would go like elvis within 5 years. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
wasted 6,196 Posted January 13 Report Share Posted January 13 27 minutes ago, Wilco said: His businesses may not earn a profit in the traditional sense, but he would be barred, theoretically, from holding any office in a corporation, or business which would earn him a profit - and he does profit from his businesses due to the positions he holds within them. Also, if they really want to go hard, they could potentially label his business a Trust, which would doubly disable him from earning a living. He’s been bankrupt before, his friends just lend him money. Trump is a walking advert for the slogan “Money isn’t real”. All he wants is attention, to look like the man with the plan. He could let Don Jr run the companies and Trump will just come in for a steak at lunch time. One way or another he’s going to make money. He could just go live in the Ukraine. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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Ragnar 2,979 Posted January 13 Report Share Posted January 13 3 hours ago, Damn_Smooth said: Drag Queens of the Stone Age. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
John Bonham 24,891 Posted January 13 Author Report Share Posted January 13 The New York Times has been shit for 20+ years, but it has really accelerated in the last 6 months. They are literally a clickbait site now. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Wilco 803 Posted January 13 Report Share Posted January 13 Pelosi is now using the terms "sedition" and "treason" in relation to Trump and his January 6th speech. She has basically called his supporters "treasonous" if they are apologetic for his speech or activities. She says the future of our country and democracy are at stake and Trump must be removed "immediately" because he represents a "danger" to the country; he is "deranged" and it is scary "what he might do next." She also referred to the rioters as 'terrorists.' One of her Democratic allies: "Political violenc is never the answer." Tell that to Minneapolis. The House voted to invoke the 25th Amendment, urging Pence to join with the cabinet to force Trump's removal. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
wasted 6,196 Posted January 13 Report Share Posted January 13 7 hours ago, bran said: Oh War on Terror 2.0 is already coming for conservative groups, inciting violence on Inauguration Day will just be the cherry on top. I expect ANTIFA and BLM have something already planned. I wonder if we can convince them it’s not about race and more about class. You aren’t poor because the other side hates your race, it’s because the elites use you to get elected then don’t do anything for you. If both sides realized they could elect someone together. The elites keep fueling the race war because they are afraid everyone will turn on them. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
wasted 6,196 Posted January 13 Report Share Posted January 13 52 minutes ago, Wilco said: Pelosi is now using the terms "sedition" and "treason" in relation to Trump and his January 6th speech. She has basically called his supporters "treasonous" if they are apologetic for his speech or activities. She says the future of our country and democracy are at stake and Trump must be removed "immediately" because he represents a "danger" to the country; he is "deranged" and it is scary "what he might do next." She also referred to the rioters as 'terrorists.' One of her Democratic allies: "Political violenc is never the answer." Tell that to Minneapolis. The House voted to invoke the 25th Amendment, urging Pence to join with the cabinet to force Trump's removal. Pelosi is the one saying we are evil because we are white. That’s the most dangerous thing you can say. She’s basically saying they can’t allow anyone to even question what they are doing. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Tremolo 1,020 Posted January 13 Report Share Posted January 13 7 hours ago, bran said: Oh War on Terror 2.0 is already coming for conservative groups, inciting violence on Inauguration Day will just be the cherry on top. I expect ANTIFA and BLM have something already planned. Dance, my puppets! Dance! It’s crazy how humans can be manipulated so easily. What I find most insane is how critical thinking can be bypassed like it’s nothing. Very interesting times to be alive. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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