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The "TRUMP KNEW ABOUT IT SINCE NOVEMBER" came out in around JUNE/JULY when Woodward leaked conversations with Trump.

The travel ban hoopla was early in 2020, April? May? And I remember hearing nonstop that Trump was racist for doing so and trying to incite violence against Asians, or at the very least inciting xenophobia.


Again, he was criticized for not closing it sooner


I remember people kept bringing up Obama's task force and that Trump had disbanded it. Maybe a few were calling him a racist, but the majority were criticizing him for not doing it sooner

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People don’t even use their 5 senses anymore. This demonstration was quite tame. Watch the videos. Always go to primary sources. 

We lost Mags and gained Dazey.    Worst trade in history. 

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Coronavirus quarantine, travel ban could backfire, experts fear


02/04/2020 04:42 PM EST


The Trump administration’s quarantine and travel ban in response to the Wuhan coronavirus could undercut international efforts to fight the outbreak by antagonizing Chinese leaders, as well as stigmatizing people of Asian descent, according to a growing chorus of public health experts and lawmakers.


The World Health Organization’s top official on Tuesday repeated concern that moves that interfere with transportation and trade could harm efforts to address the crisis, though he didn't directly name the United States. Meanwhile, unions representing flight attendants, nurses and teachers criticized the administration on Tuesday for not being forthcoming about what kind of screening and treatment individuals will undergo, and some members of Congress say they're concerned the efforts could stoke racial discrimination.


"This is a virus that happened to pop up in China. But the virus doesn’t discriminate between Asian versus non-Asian,” said Rep. Ami Bera (D-Calif.), a former emergency room physician who will preside over Congress' first hearing on the outbreak on Wednesday. “In our response we can’t create prejudices and harbor anxieties toward one population."


The administration on Sunday ordered recent U.S. travelers to China’s Hubei province — the epicenter of the outbreak — to be held in a mandatory quarantine for two weeks. The last time the government took such a step was in the late 1960s, when it held people on the U.S.-Mexico border who lacked evidence of smallpox vaccination. Currently, 195 Americans who were evacuated from the Wuhan area last week are quarantined on a military base in Ontario, Calif. — and the number is expected to grow as more people are flown out.


World Health Organization chief Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus said Tuesday that widespread travel bans and restrictions weren’t needed to stop the outbreak and could "have the effect of increasing fear and stigma, with little public health benefit." Union leaders separately called for a coordinated government response and warned authorities against profiling people of Asian descent while addressing the threat.


The virus has sickened some 20,900 people worldwide and killed at least 427, almost all in China. The FDA late Tuesday granted emergency authorization to distribute a diagnostic test for the virus to public health laboratories around the country. The move eliminates the need to confirm cases by sending samples to the CDC's headquarters in Atlanta.


The government has broad legal authority to detain people and enforce U.S. borders in the name of public health. But politically and diplomatically, it’s more complicated.


Conservative lawmakers who for weeks have called for a travel ban and mandatory quarantine order say the administration's response is in the public’s interest.


Sen. Tom Cotton (R-Ark.) praised the “decisive action,” saying the government was “erring on the side of caution.” Cotton and other Republicans have urged the administration to go further and implement a ban on all commercial travel to China.


But the measures have also met with widespread criticism both domestically and internationally.


Voluntary measures and education usually work better than edicts that may lead people to lie about their symptoms and travel history, and encourage countries to conceal outbreaks, public health experts say. In addition, travel restrictions hurt economies and divert public health resources into enforcing a ban that may not be useful at preventing the spread of infection, according to Saad Omer, director of the Yale Institute of Global Health.


The policies could already be complicating an international response.


The Chinese government on Monday accused the U.S. of having “inappropriately overreacted” to the outbreak. And leaders of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention say they are still waiting for permission from the Chinese government to join an upcoming WHO delegation to Wuhan.


Bera, who will chair a House Foreign Affairs subcommittee hearing on the epidemic on Wednesday, said he’s concerned the Trump administration’s cautionary measures may be backfiring.


“We shouldn’t have an antagonistic relationship with the Chinese. We should be working hand in hand,” he said. Besides the diplomatic blowback, he said, the travel ban “probably doesn’t make sense,” since the outbreak has already spread to several other countries.


“At this juncture, it’s going to be very hard to contain the virus,” Bera told POLITICO, noting that his priority now is to get CDC’s epidemiologists into China to study the origin of the pandemic.


Bera added that the mandatory quarantines “may be overkill,” pointing to experts who say governments should opt for voluntary steps whenever possible, since people usually comply with self-quarantine orders to protect themselves and others from disease.


Because epidemics feed feelings of powerlessness, politicians may feel they have to “do something,” Yale's Omer said. But a more sober approach is to convey messages that make people feel they’re part of the solution, like urging hand washing, staying home if they feel ill or getting a flu shot — which targets a disease that currently poses a much bigger threat than coronavirus to the U.S. population.


Meanwhile, the American Civil Liberties Union has warned that the administration's measures infringe on civil rights. Any detention of travelers or citizens must be “scientifically justified and no more intrusive on civil liberties than absolutely necessary,” said Jay Stanley, an ACLU senior policy analyst.


Administration officials are publicly wrestling with some of these concerns. On a call with reporters Friday, CDC officials acknowledged the policies could “induce fear and stigma,” but argued the public health benefits outweighed the downsides.


“We would rather be remembered for overreacting than underreacting,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases.


Some health experts are praising CDC’s response, saying the agency is proceeding in a more humane and sensible way than China’s mass lockdowns of cities in the most affected area.


“Quarantining 56 million people with a ring around their cities is pretty wild, especially since we know that 5 million people already left,” said Howard Markel, a physician and medical historian at the University of Michigan. U.S. quarantines are “not optimal,” he said, but “so much more nuanced and precision oriented.”


Quarantine in the 19th century meant being locked up on a ship off the harbor with smallpox or cholera patients and having one’s clothes sprayed with sulfur that was supposed to kill the germs. The quarantining of people returning from China will presumably be much different, he said.


“Phones, computers, entertainment — you wouldn’t have had that before. No one says quarantine is a great experience. It plays with your mind. But I know it will be done humanely and ethically and given how rapidly it’s spreading, I think it’s a wise precaution.”


Rep. Judy Chu (D-Calif.), the chairwoman of Congress’ Asian Pacific American Caucus, called the quarantine "a necessary step” given the gravity of the coronavirus epidemic.


But Chu, whose district is near the Air Force base where U.S. evacuees are being kept in isolation, slammed the administration for not being forthcoming with information. CDC has yet to respond to a letter she and other California lawmakers sent last week asking for details on what kind of screening and treatment the individuals face, their conditions and who is “running point” at the facility.


Chu said she is also frustrated that she has not been told whether future evacuees from Wuhan will be held at the same base or elsewhere in the United States.

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Trump, Biden Spin China Travel Restrictions
By Robert Farley

Posted on April 6, 2020 | Corrected on May 4, 2020


Both President Donald Trump and leading Democratic presidential candidate Joe Biden are spinning the facts on the administration’s coronavirus travel restrictions for those who had been in China.


Trump has repeatedly boasted, as he did on April 4, that “I stopped people from China very early — very, very early — from coming into our country.” On April 1, Trump said that “banning dangerous foreign travel that threatens the health of our people” was one of the actions his administration took that was “far earlier than anyone would have thought and way ahead of anybody else.”


On ABC’s “This Week” on April 5, Biden said “45 nations had already moved” to restrict travel from China “before the president moved.” Said Biden, “We started off awfully slow.”


The U.S. did not act “way ahead of anybody else” in imposing travel restrictions from China, as Trump alleges, nor was it late getting into the act compared with other countries around the world, as Biden says.


ThinkGlobalHealth, a project of the Council on Foreign Relations, has been tracking the travel restrictions on China due to COVID-19. Its country-by-country analysis of the date and type of travel restrictions shows that in the days after the World Health Organization on Jan. 30 declared the coronavirus outbreak a public health emergency of international concern, 36 countries imposed travel restrictions, including the U.S., by Feb. 2.


“What this data shows is that the United States was neither behind nor ahead of the curve in terms of imposing travel restrictions against China,” a co-author of the tracker, Samantha Kiernan, a research associate on global health, economics, and development at the Council on Foreign Relations, told us via email.

A day after the WHO decision, Health and Human Services Secretary Alex Azar declared a public health emergency for the U.S. for the novel coronavirus and announced travel restrictions to and from China, effective Feb. 2. The policy prohibited non-U.S. citizens, other than the immediate family of U.S. citizens and permanent residents, who have traveled to China within the last two weeks from entering the U.S.


As we have written, Trump was wrong to call the policy a “travel ban” or to claim that he “closed up” all travel between the countries. There were exceptions, including for Americans and their family members and for trade. Trump also has repeatedly and misleadingly cast his decision to impose the travel restrictions as a “bold” move made “against the advice of almost everybody.” Azar said the decision stemmed from “the uniform recommendations of the career public health officials here at HHS.”


Trump has repeatedly claimed that his decision to impose the travel restrictions on China “had Biden calling me xenophobic” and “racist.”


On the day the White House announced the travel restrictions, Biden did say at a campaign event in Iowa that as the pandemic unfolds, Americans “need to have a president who they can trust what he says about it, that he is going to act rationally about it.” He added, “This is no time for Donald Trump’s record of hysteria and xenophobia – hysterical xenophobia – and fearmongering to lead the way instead of science.”


The Biden campaign says Biden’s “reference to xenophobia was about Trump’s long record of scapegoating others at a time when the virus was emerging from China,” and that he was not talking about the travel ban.

On April 3, Biden’s campaign said Biden supported Trump’s decision to impose travel restrictions on China.

“Joe Biden supports travel bans that are guided by medical experts, advocated by public health officials, and backed by a full strategy,” Kate Bedingfield, Biden’s deputy campaign manager, told CNN. “Science supported this ban, therefore he did too.”


In a coronavirus task force press briefing on April 4, Trump asked if people had seen the “breaking news” that Biden “agreed that [Trump] was correct when I stopped people from China very early — very, very early — from coming into our country.”


On ABC’s “This Week” on April 5, Biden responded that while he agreed with the travel restrictions on China, he didn’t think the president acted with enough “urgency.”


Biden, April 5: You got to go faster than slower. And we started off awfully slow. He indicated that I complimented him on — on dealing with China. Well, you know, 45 nations had already moved to keep — block China’s personnel from being able to come to the United States before the president moved. So, it’s just — it’s about pace. It’s about — it’s about the urgency. And I don’t think there’s been enough of it, urgency.


According to Kiernan, co-creator of the ThinkGlobalHealth tracker on travel restrictions on China, 46 countries and territories (Macau and Hong Kong) imposed travel restrictions on China that came into effect before the United States’ restrictions did. (Although the U.S. announced its travel restrictions on Jan. 31, they did not go into effect until Feb. 2.) Twelve other countries’ travel restrictions against China came into effect on Feb. 2, the same day as the U.S.


Most of those countries’ decisions came in the days immediately after the WHO declared the coronavirus outbreak a public health emergency of international concern, Kiernan said.


“To be fair, the United States was one of the first Western countries to impose any kind of formal travel restriction against China,” Kiernan told us. “With the exceptions of the Czech Republic (suspended visas seven days after U.S. implemented restrictions) and Italy (suspended flights two days before U.S. implemented restrictions), the EU did not impose travel restrictions against China specifically. Australia imposed its entry ban on travelers from China, which was quite similar to the United States’, one day before the United States acted. New Zealand and Israel imposed their travel bans on the same day as the United States.”


In general, she said, the earliest countries to impose travel restrictions against China were Asian and Pacific countries.


“The Marshall Islands, for instance, imposed the earliest travel ban against China on January 24,” Kiernan said. “North Korea, Singapore, Sri Lanka, Hong Kong, Macau, Kazakhstan, Micronesia, Laos, Malaysia, etc. all imposed some form of travel restriction against China in January as well. A few African nations imposed travel restrictions against China in January as well, such as Mauritius and Seychelles.”


“Taking this all together, what this data shows is that the United States was neither behind nor ahead of the curve in terms of imposing travel restrictions against China,” Kiernan said.


The United States announced its restrictions the day after the WHO declared a public health emergency, “and those restrictions came into effect two days later. However, to say the United States was one of the first countries to impose an entry ban on travelers from China would be incorrect,” she said. “By my count, roughly twenty countries and territories (Hong Kong) imposed entry bans similar if not more stringent than the U.S. ban prior to the United States imposing its restrictions.”


That contradicts the narratives of both Trump and Biden.

Correction, May 4: We originally misspelled Kate Bedingfield’s last name. We regret the error.

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Former Vice President Joe Biden on Monday accused President Trump of “fanning the flames” of “hate, fear and xenophobia” against Asian Americans during the coronavirus outbreak.


Speaking virtually to the Asian American and Pacific Islanders (AAPI) Victory Fund, Biden said the president had been slow to respond to the pandemic, and that he had only offered the public “denials, delays and distractions, many of which were nakedly xenophobic.”


“The pandemic has unleashed familiar forces of hate, fear and xenophobia that he always flames … that have always existed in this society,” Biden said. “But this president brought it with him, has brought with it a new rash of racial messages, verbal and physical attacks and other acts of hate, some subtle, some overt, against the Asian American and Pacific Islanders.”


In late January, the Trump administration implemented a travel restriction from China, where the coronavirus originated.


Some on the left described the move as a racist or xenophobic ploy aimed at punishing a country that Trump has clashed with over trade.


Republicans say Trump has been proven right, as questions have been raised about when China first knew about the extent of the outbreak and whether they took steps to keep it a secret.


But Democrats say there has been a spike in anti-Asian American sentiment because of Trump’s rhetoric toward China.


Biden pointed to Republicans criticizing Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) for touring businesses in San Francisco’s Chinatown in late February and Trump’s exchange with an Asian reporter in the Rose Garden last week as evidence of his animosity toward the AAPI community.


“The AAPI community deserves better than a president who never ever misses an opportunity to stoke innuendo and fan the flames of hate,” Biden said.


“We deserve better than a president who attacks the Speaker of the House for visiting a local Chinatown business in San Francisco. We deserve better than a president who aggressively and childishly insults Asian American reporter. Think of that, the president of the U.S. for the whole world to see, insults an Asian American reporter in the Rose Garden for doing her job and asking a direct question. You deserve a partner and a friend in the White House.”


Pelosi was criticized on the right for encouraging people to go out to businesses in San Francisco’s Chinatown shortly before many states implemented stay-at-home orders.


"I'm here," Pelosi said at the time. "We feel safe and sound with so many of us coming here. It's not only to say it's safe but to say thank you for being Chinatown."


At a Rose Garden event last week, Trump said the U.S. is performing better than many other countries in regard to testing for the coronavirus.


CBS news correspondent Weijia Jiang responded: “Why does that matter? Why is this a global competition when every day Americans are still losing their lives?”

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I swear It's really freaky how it literally read my mind sometimes 😆

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Trump sinks to racist panic as China mobilizes against disease
February 7, 2020 10:41 AM CST  BY JOEL WENDLAND-LIU
 A woman wearing a protective mask waits for her flight at the international airport in Manila, Philippines, Feb. 4. Around the world, Chinese people, as well as Asians of non-Chinese descent, are facing a wave of racist and xenophobic treatment - including from several governments, including the U.S. 

Even though a tiny number of cases of coronavirus have surfaced in the U.S., widespread panic about the disease has surfaced in the form of hostility and racism toward Chinese people and even people who seem to be of Asian descent who are not Chinese. Many Americans, often self-identified as fans of Trump and living in places with no reported cases of the virus, likewise appear to harbor xenophobia and racism.


Fueled by currents of racism and hostility toward immigrants and people who are not what the dominant culture defines as a “prototypical” citizen, this wave of racist panic has prompted Asian people across the U.S. to reach out on social media to report incidents of xenophobia, racism, and even violence.


Cultural competence researcher Ingrid Piller defines the “prototypical” citizen as the fabricated image of a person whose identification with a country’s dominant idea of who is a citizen appears normal and seldom challenged. Thus, while many Asian Americans’ ancestors migrated to the U.S. well before the waves of European immigration of the late 19th century and early 20th century, because they appear not to fit the white, Christian, European-descended profile of the “prototypical” citizen, Americans habitually and unfairly profile them as foreign.


News reports detailed a tweet circulated by the UC Berkeley health service, which characterized xenophobia as a “normal” response to fears about contagious diseases. Only after a “flood” of complaints from the campus community did the Berkeley administration remove and apologize for the tweet.



According to a Los Angeles Times report this week, many Americans of Asian descent, not confined to a Chinese origin, have complained of hostile comments from airline security officials, restaurant servers and customers, university students and professors, random people on public transportation, and anonymous commenters on social media.


Similar reports of intimidating interactions targeting Asian-descended people in grocery stores and other businesses appeared on National Public Radio and in Business Insider. A story published in the latter this week examined social media for a variety of false and offensive conspiracy theories about the origin of the disease that range from a doctored video of people eating bats to fabricated claims that the virus originated from the Huawei 5G network.


Many Asians and Asian Americans took to social media with the hashtag #imnotavirus in protest against racist xenophobia.


The wave of false and inflammatory information and hostile gestures targeting Asian people in the U.S. emerged largely after the Trump administration declared a “state of emergency” and adopted restrictions on travel to and from China. The travel restrictions came after the World Health Organization released a health advisory that urged education and precaution, but concluded: “WHO advises against the application of any restrictions of international traffic based on the information currently available on this event.”


The Trump administration’s “state of emergency” should be regarded as a piece of more substantial and systematic hostility in its relations with China. This stance sparked a trade war and confrontational military actions in the South Pacific. Out of a racist and fascist playbook, the Trump administration frames its foreign and domestic policies in white nationalist terms, denigrating Americans of color and the world’s non-white people.


On a recent program, right-wing radio talk show host Rush Limbaugh spurred on xenophobia by blaming “Chi-coms,” a slur on Chinese people and China, for the disease and demanded additional restrictions and bans on Chinese travelers, according to USA Today. Limbaugh has a faithful following of 27 million listeners who are generally Trump supporters. He was just awarded the Presidential Medal of Freedom by Trump at the State of the Union address.


A Time magazine report this week also linked American racist and xenophobic responses to the coronavirus with similar reactions to the H1N1 virus in 2009 and the Ebola virus in 2014. In those instances, Latinx and African peoples were seen as the cause of the diseases and targeted for abuse. More rational and scientifically-driven policies initiated by the Obama administration both humanized the victims of the disease and prevented pandemic.


However, research published by political scientist Joshua Inwood of Pennsylvania State University reveals that racist xenophobia that is emergent in situations like this relies directly on what he terms the interests and needs of the U.S. “racial state.” The “racial state” might be defined as the sum of political, social, legal, and economic institutions that compete for direct power over U.S. domestic and international policies. This combination of political and economic forces, Inwood shows, relies on deploying racism in various strategic ways to maintain its dominance.


According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, 26 million cases of seasonal influenza have been reported in the U.S. since last October. Of that number, 12 million hospitalizations have been reported, including a staggering number of deaths, between 10,000 and 25,000 people. Still, many Americans refuse standard precautions such as the flu shot, inaccurately believing it causes them to get the flu. Because seasonal influenza affects many “prototypical” citizens, it rarely causes a racial panic, but it does cost hundreds of millions of healthcare dollars and unnecessary pressure on the health system.


To avoid irrational fears and racist xenophobia, people should not rely solely on the media or social media about the disease. They should turn to trusted international organizations like the World Health Organization for accurate scientific information.

If we sink to racist xenophobia in the face of winnable battles against disease, we do not deserve to call ourselves the working class.

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I do remember hearing on NPR when Trump got rid of the pandemic people right when he got in office. I remember I was sitting at a red light too. Who could have predicted it though?


I remember the criticism for the US selling PPE to China only to have none on hand. Remember the pandemic people saying wearing a mask was useless because we didn't have PPE? That was kind of worse.

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2 minutes ago, meatpuppet said:

I do remember hearing on NPR when Trump got rid of the pandemic people right when he got in office. I remember I was sitting at a red light too. Who could have predicted it though?


I remember the criticism for the US selling PPE to China only to have none on hand. Remember the pandemic people saying wearing a mask was useless because we didn't have PPE? That was kind of worse.


Yes! I remeber the mask thing because I decided to take the bus one day instead of driving and I wore a mask and literally no one wanted to get near me because the claim was to only wear a mask if you were sick. 


That feels so long ago omg. 

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2 minutes ago, EstrangedTWAT said:


Miser.....learn to paraphrase.   I abso-fucking-lutely not a single member of this board read any of that, or ever will.


If you're gonna write loooong posts, make sure there's lots of drinking and debauchery and titties and barfing like my long ass posts.

I wanted to present actual articles to refute the claims that Trump did nothing until much later. If I "paraphrase", I'm accused of just spouting false memories from my "Xanax addled brain", if I don't paraphrase it's word vomit.

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2 minutes ago, Wilco said:

I wanted to present actual articles to refute the claims that Trump did nothing until much later. If I "paraphrase", I'm accused of just spouting false memories from my "Xanax addled brain", if I don't paraphrase it's word vomit.

Your heart was in the right place but @EstrangedTWAT is right. It's a total Downzy move posting something so long.  


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1 hour ago, meatpuppet said:

I remember Biden saying that when this done and Trump took some heat. It wasn't that long ago.


Trump may not have been doing it lightning speed but he probably took measures would not have. I think other people would have been more compromising and left the borders open longer. I think that is like revisionist history but not a surprise.

The problem is he couldn't do it at lightning speed because he was having his impeachment trial. Nancy Pelosi was calling Trump's travel bans premature and told everyone to head down to Chinatown and "celebrate with us." You had Chuck Schumer calling Trump's ban based on xenophobia, and of course Biden who said it was racist, then flip flopped and said he would have done it much earlier. 

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5 minutes ago, Val said:

Damned if you do, damned if you don't 


-Trump not closing ( YOU KNEW IN NOVEMBER!)


-Trump closing ( YOU'RE RACIST!)


He was kinda fucked either way


That was the point, they constantly put him in no win situations and allowed the media to spin it whatever way benefited the Democrats. Just look at how the media/Democrats handled BLM and ANTIFA. Did the national media ever report the murder of a 17 year old kid by BLM and ANTIFA members in the CHAZ? Did they ever report of BLM murdering an 8 year old girl in Atlanta? Her crime? her dad took her out for burgers, BLM blocked the street, the father tried to drive around and BLM fired into the car killing the little girl. The media equated Trump wanting to send in the national guard as to Nazi's sending in shock troops. Yet the media wanted more of the right wingers murdered by the national guard, even gave the police a standing ovation.

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1 hour ago, Val said:


Again, he was criticized for not closing it sooner


I remember people kept bringing up Obama's task force and that Trump had disbanded it. Maybe a few were calling him a racist, but the majority were criticizing him for not doing it sooner

I think the confusion here comes because you looking at when the US banned travel from China (the country) but iirc he banned travel from Wuhan itself a week or two prior to that. And even before that, the US started to take temperature and the likes from people who were traveling from Wuhan and there were a lot of racist remarks about that.

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