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What was the worst GNR tour of the 21st Century?

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9 minutes ago, GeraldineBailey said:

You are the guy who said that he sounded like in 2011 in 2019

What the fuck is wrong with you

Can’t afford decent audio system in zimbabwe?

listen you stupid white trash, if you want to listen to this acdc shit then do it mf

and I said he sounded like in 2001 not 2011 in 2019

and it is true

my sound system is way better, and worth more money than yours

AC/DC is awful band and Axl did not make this shit any better

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AC/DC songs are just fun rock songs, nothing great but I'd rather hear Axl scream his way through an AC/DC set than another NITL set. You can tell that he just doesn't give a fuck about his own songs, the best performances in recent years have all been covers ffs (Wichita Lineman, I Feel Good, even the fucking Seeker is consistently better than the GNR songs in the set).

I'd take Axl screeching about rocks n' thunders instead of croaking his way through November Rain any day of the week. At least he actually put effort into the AC/DC shows.

 

I also enjoyed the shows I saw in late 2011 (mid-December, near the end of the tour). He looked thinner than any other time I've seen him, and sounded pretty decent for the most part. Just look for Better from the Seattle 2011 show, if he sang it like that nowadays mygnr would go full-on fanboy mode.

 

2017-19 has just been complete shit, though. Deteriorating vocals throughout a bloated, barely-changing setlist, with a band that sounds bored as fuck.

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It's amazing how sensitive some of you are about the axldc shit. Thats why i say it was by far the most annoying tour this decade. 

 

Just let people not enjoy it. Nobody is saying the nitl was better. Calm down ladies.

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I could understand where it wouldn't be everyone's cup of tea. I felt he did the songs justice and put in more effort than he's put into his own band in several years. I'm not the biggest AC/DC fan to begin with. I just wish he would put forth more effort into Guns.

I think the inFATuation with Axl/DC is simply the fact it was something different as opposed to Easy, Brownstone, Chinese, Jungle, etc...etc... for the 75th straight year. That's all. He pulled out some Bon Scott deep cuts on that tour, which was pretty enjoyable.

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On 12/5/2019 at 12:04 PM, John Bonham said:

2001 was good

2006 was good

2010 was good

Axl/DC good

 

NITL Year One? ok

 

The rest was shit

Pretty much the nail on the head; I felt 2001 was acceptable, mostly for Bucket. He was a joy to listen to play. Axl sounded like Mickey shit. 2006 and 2010 were his peak years.

I went to three shows during the first NITL leg; FedEx, and both MetLife shows, and felt they were decent. It was downhill on the next leg - right around the time they started covering shit like Slither, BHS and Wichita. 

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Nothing prior to 2012ish was really bad. It just happened that in his prime, Axl was one of the greatest front men of all time - so when he returned out of his prime in '01 it was extremely obvious that he wasn't up for it. 

 

I just stick around here for the leaks that come twice a decade and the salami jokes. I'm not fanatical like the rest of you, so my dates might be wrong, but something happened around maybe 2012 where Axl just deteriorated into a mess.

 

Since 2001, people joked about him being fat or old, and I was confused because I'd watch videos and he'd look not fat and maybe even a bit young for his age. Yes, he had strange hair and weird fashion choices. He'd either get white guy corn rows, or he'd un-ironically cosplay as Ricky from the Trailer Park Boys with baggy Adidas pants and Giant Tiger anime dragon shirts. But having white trash fashion sense doesn't make someone fat. 

 

In 2012, Axl gave up. He let the darkness consume him as he must have consumed everything in his path. He gained weight. A lot of it. His hair looked awful, dry, Macho Man Randy Savage dry. Most of all, he didn't even flinch at the idea that a year or two had gone by and he still hadn't kicked Monster Energy Drinks presents DJ Ashba out of the band. We all go through trials and tribulations, but it was more than that with Axl. It was like he let himself go. He was fed up. Both literally and figuratively. Every tour was worse than the last. Every crowd was smaller than the last. Axl was worse at every show. He mailed it in. He had the audacity to document his state in 3-dimensional form on Blu-Ray. They expected people to want to put in the effort to get up from their couch and put on some stupid glasses just to see Axl waddle his way through a Mickey Mouse influenced rendition of Mr. Brownstone.

 

From that point on, Axl has been terrible. It's clear the guy doesn't care. His performances suck. His condition sucks. Most of all, the fans are idiots. I can't believe they drew the kind of crowds they did with the product they put out on stage. It shows that Guns N' Roses concerts are no longer about Guns N' Roses concerts. It's about having that one night where the babysitter doesn't cancel so you can go stand around with a bunch of sweaty fifty year olds and for one night only, relive heavy metal parking lot.

 

Worst of all, Axl has the audacity to show up on time now. So he doesn't even punish these stupid people by making them have to show up to their job at Target on 2 hours of sleep. 

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On 12/6/2019 at 8:12 AM, Frank Drebin said:

I liked Axl/DC although I'm more of a fan of the Bon Scott era AC/DC and Axl/DC covered mainly the Brian Johnson era because obviously Axl temporary replaced Brian. 

 

Actually if you look at the setlist from that tour, Axl got more Bon stuff added then they were doing with Brian.  Because that's what he grew up on.

 

They weren't doing 'Rock N Roll Damnation', 'If You Want Blood (You Got It)', or 'Riff Raff' when Brian was singing.

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On 12/8/2019 at 12:16 PM, MacDaddyRose said:

I could understand where it wouldn't be everyone's cup of tea. I felt he did the songs justice and put in more effort than he's put into his own band in several years. I'm not the biggest AC/DC fan to begin with. I just wish he would put forth more effort into Guns.

 

 

I'm in the same spot.  I'm a "greatest hits" AC/DC fan.  Basically the stuff you hear on the radio.  I only saw them to see Axl.  And I knew enouhg tunes to enjoy the show.

 

But it's the disparity in the voice that kills me.  How come the guy that is belting out 'Back In Black' and 'Thunderstruck' exactly how it's supposed to sound...can't nail that last verse of 'You Could Be Mine' if his life depended on it?

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On 12/8/2019 at 2:16 PM, MacDaddyRose said:

I could understand where it wouldn't be everyone's cup of tea. I felt he did the songs justice and put in more effort than he's put into his own band in several years. I'm not the biggest AC/DC fan to begin with. I just wish he would put forth more effort into Guns.

I think the inFATuation with Axl/DC is simply the fact it was something different as opposed to Easy, Brownstone, Chinese, Jungle, etc...etc... for the 75th straight year. That's all. He pulled out some Bon Scott deep cuts on that tour, which was pretty enjoyable.

 

Just now, D-GenerationX said:

 

I'm in the same spot.  I'm a "greatest hits" AC/DC fan.  Basically the stuff you hear on the radio.  I only saw them to see Axl.  And I knew enouhg tunes to enjoy the show.

 

But it's the disparity in the voice that kills me.  How come the guy that is belting out 'Back In Black' and 'Thunderstruck' exactly how it's supposed to sound...can't nail that last verse of 'You Could Be Mine' if his life depended on it?

 

You're both right. I guess it just comes to each own's personal preference. If it was say... 2011, where I still had some kind of appreciation for the band (very little but it was still there) I would have enjoyed it somehow.

 

But, same as the reunion, it just took place in a time where I had no more interest if Axl sang well or like shit. 

 

In 2006 when he returned I was like "HOLY SHIT AXL STILL GOT IT"

 

In 2009-10, it was kinda like that but Ashba really annoyed me.

 

In 2016? I was more like... meh, too little too late... and most of the time he was just yelling about rocks and thunders, I never liked ACDC so I was simply unimpressed, uninterested

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I think 2006 was kind of a holy shit moment for most of us; Axl sounded great, they were expanding the setlist, they were starting to look more like an actual "band" and not a freak show. Mostly the vocal quality - Axl was in great vocal form, considering 2001-02 wasn't his most shining moment.


To me it all comes down to vocal quality; the GNR "Brand" revolves around Axl's unique voice and singing style. When you hear people talk about "rasp" - yeah, it is kind of a big deal. That's the GNR brand that we all grew up listening to and why we became fans of this band in the first place. The rawness and power of his voice in his prime was a huge selling point to me on the sound of this band. 

Understanding that he is at an age where his voice isn't gonna get any better, and it is what it is at this point - knowing that they will likely never release a new record, I'd rather them just retire than continue this tired old cash grab. However, when people are still paying to see it, there is no point of them stopping.

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The problem is that at this point Axl would need to learn the songs again in order to sing them in a way that suits his current voice. He did that for ACDC from the ground up. Do we really think he's gonna do that for guns songs that he's already been singing for years? 

 

Could also just be that he prefers singing how he is singing, as he has alluded to this in the past. 

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8 hours ago, Jw224 said:

The problem is that at this point Axl would need to learn the songs again in order to sing them in a way that suits his current voice. He did that for ACDC from the ground up. Do we really think he's gonna do that for guns songs that he's already been singing for years? 

 

Could also just be that he prefers singing how he is singing, as he has alluded to this in the past. 

Of course he likes it, it's a thin falsetto(about the only thing that is thin on him these days), that doesn't put a lot of stress on his voice. He seems to punch it in a few moments on the set; notably Nightrain, and that's about it. 

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8 minutes ago, MacDaddyRose said:

Of course he likes it, it's a thin falsetto(about the only thing that is thin on him these days), that doesn't put a lot of stress on his voice. He seems to punch it in a few moments on the set; notably Nightrain, and that's about it. 

The frustrating thing is that he's actually still a good singer. Wichita Lineman is the best song in the set and he actually sounds like Axl Rose on it. It's not overly raspy or powerful, it just sounds natural. It's probably not very hard for him to maintain that vocal style throughout a show, but he keeps using the mickey voice even though he knows the fans don't like it.

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02 and the Ashba years.
 

I will say while I do understand the main gripes everyone has with NITL,  I did throughly enjoy my Pittsburgh show in 2016. I knew I wasn’t gonna see the guys I wanted to see from ‘87-‘93, so that kept my expectations somewhat in check. Maybe it was being there in person, maybe it was because I was finally seeing a variation of what I always wanted to see since I started following this Greek tragedy, but Axl and the band as a whole sounded good to my ears. It was wonderful closure seeing what virtually everyone thought would never happen just a year prior in decent form. I’ve heard it quickly fell apart shortly after that, but I wouldn’t know, because since then, I haven’t given a shit.

 

I don’t do reruns, and if it’s the same set list only with a shittier Axl, why bother? And lol new album obviously, but even if some variation of that is on the table, nothing on the menu interests me. If they make a frankensteined effort from Axl’s solo years, I’ll pass. And the cunt’s pushing sixty now with Slash and Duff not far behind. They’re not putting together something worth while from scratch at this point. They’re just not. 13 years too late. Which is a shame, but what can you do? I’m just here now to lol at the shit show as that’s the only reliable thing a gnr fan can ask for. Which again is sad, but see above.

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On 12/10/2019 at 11:59 AM, Bill Brasky said:

@John Bonham did you to go to the Worcester show ? I couldn’t because my son was born the month before. Always wondered if it was good.

Worcester 06 was the only nugnr show I ever saw and i really liked it

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Hmmmm.

 

Hard to answer cause there's obvious things like performance and personnel to factor in, but setlists are really important to me.

 

So even though the most shit era of the band hands down was the latter half of the Ashba line-up, and Axl was already sounding like shit, the setlist was really, really good.  They'd brought back Estranged and Civil War and then Yesterdays, and were doing TWAT and Catcher, and the Seeker still felt somewhat "fresh" and I even thought "Don't Let it Get You Down" was good cause it was a cover and clearly that's all Axl gives a shit about.

 

So on the one hand, I loved the setlists for those 3 hour + shows.....but fuckin Bumblefag and Ashba.....and the humiliation of playing a residency in a goddamn Casino.  Pathetic.

 

But I actually remember being really pissed during the 2006 shows that there were still ZERO news songs other than adding Better cause it had leaked.  In hindsight everyone says that year was a highpoint for Axl but I didn't see it that way cause it was just the same shit from the aborted 2002 tour with a dumber-looking guitarist.  I still thought he looked dumb in those dreads.  But only I'd known then that those dreads were the last remaining gasp of his youth, and when they were gone, he was officially an old man.

 

This last little leg had the worst performances by far.  All three of them look like they were about to fall asleep at any minute.   But it gave us Locomotive!  See....you get little rewards every time they go down another level of shit.

 

But as I discovered in another thread....this isn't the worst by far.   That Vince McNeil video was awkward as fuck.  And Bon Jovi blew my mind by not being able to sing his own songs on stage without help from the session musicians.  Axl's not there.......yet.

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