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Is the Trump presidency proof there's a Deep State?

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Is the Trump presidency proof there's a Deep State?

 

Based upon his campaign and how things are going, I think there's no doubt someone or somebody else is pulling the strings. 

 

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Given how paranoid American are about everything I'm actually shocked at the widespread scepticism over the existence of the Deep State. 

 

It's not even unique to America. It's pretty much a given in every Western country these days. 

 

Here it is called the Permanent Government. 

 

 

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17 minutes ago, Facekicker said:

Given how paranoid American are about everything I'm actually shocked at the widespread scepticism over the existence of the Deep State. 

 

It's not even unique to America. It's pretty much a given in every Western country these days. 

 

Here it is called the Permanent Government. 

 

 

So that's a yes then. 

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Apprentice and Celebrity Apprentice were good shows (for bad reality tv I mean).  I was so hoping that was the Trump we were going to get- smart, calculated, well-spoken.  Instead we got some drunk guy in a bar.  

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1 hour ago, arnold layne said:

So that's a yes then. 

Yeah, of course. 

 

Politicians come and go every four years. 

 

Bureaucrats, military and intelligence officials and other unelected goons are often there for 40-50 years. You think they just roll over and let some blow in start telling them what to do every election? Not a chance. 

 

They are embedded in the system. They are the system. 

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I think something changed with H. W. Bush. He was the CIA director and probably a deep lying sleeper CIA operative his whole life. You can go back to Hoover too. Having a file on everyone. This was deep state trying to control politics. Why not just take direct control of power?

 

They’ve always been doing this. It’s just Donnie has crashed the party and cuts the grass like no one else. Trump only cares about himself, his money, his friends. But he’s not CIA. That’s the big problem. 

 

Bush, Clinton, Bush, Obama (Clinton), Clinton (Nope Trump). I mean you even have to remember Nixon was put in office by Bush senior. Rumsfeld has been around for decades. And Clinton (Bush) was meant to be next. They are all very angry about Trump. Remember this whole thing goes back to the second World War where the US just stayed in Europe and expanded the American Empire around the globe. 

 

So when Trump beats Hillary, Obama, Comey, Brennan, Clapperall shit  themselves because they have been conspiring with the deep state for years. And Trump was just saying this stuff out loud to the American people. One thing is losing control of the American Empire but another is going to jail for war crimes. 

 

What seems to be the case is that rich kids go into the CIA and FBI through connections at places like Yale. Combine this with the oil industry. You basically have rich kids connected to the oil industry going into the CIA to basically to control the political narrative. The US came to dominance on natural resources of oil, gas and coal but they kind of wanted or needed more so the top oil resource ME countries became of interest. You either work on the petro dollar and give the US a good deal or they regime change you. 

 

In theory none of this should be a problem. Having rich families cater to the needs of the rich in the oil industry and military could be great for the American people. It has been. The US has had the highest standard of living of alltime. Just raining oil based Transformer toys and videogames. 

 

In theory the deep state have been doing a great job. But there’s a flaw in the system. The people in the government don’t own the debt they run up. They’ve kind of been running the US like a shell company. They’ve just gone crazy with power and greed. Ultimately they know if they can provide the oil to lube up our lives then they can get rich and the people will never care. 

 

Mitt Romney is a specialist. You have a company and you borrow a shit ton of money which you use to run the company. You pay yourself a high salary but more importantly you spend money on photocopies you buy from your other company you own. Basically Bush borrows money to buy weapons from his friends to blow up bridges in the ME, then he has a company that gets paid to fix the bridge. Just a loose example. 

 

Basically as a country you borrow all the money you can, pay all the top bosses but when the country goes bankrupt, the politicians don’t own the debt the country do, the people have to pay it back. But they just keep borrowing and servicing the debt because they are skimming money off the top of this big casino.  

 

I read a book called The Great American Fortunes once. And that book suggests the giant flaw that has led to the above situation. The US government sold the land to individuals. This means the wealth of the country is massively diminished. If the government owned the land it would rent it to individuals then use that money to help run the country. The government/people have no collective wealth. So individuals like the Bush family own a lot of land. That land had oil, hence they are massively rich and become powerful. If the government owned the land the US would be rich. This happened with the railroads too. Whoever owns the land became vastly rich and in effect took control of the power. They use the country to make money for rich people. 

 

The question is not whether the deep state exists, it’s more is it the only thing that exists. Is Trump conpromised or will he in the end get sucked into the deep state? I mean that pretty much is the game, you want to become the deep state.

 

You want to be a dynasty family, protected by the state. Trump might not want the old wars, they are maybe done. Iraq, Libya, Syria are all in ruins. Maybe the last crusade is Iran and Venezuela. 

 

Biden being part of the deep state of Bush/Clinton/Obama really makes him who they want in. They won’t have to cut the pie with Trump. Joe is compromised he’ll do their bidding to avoid a sex scandal. 

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I think the deep state was anti-Trump.   I'm sure once he got elected, Trump realized real fast he had to play ball.

 

(((Whoever))) owns the mainstream media is for sure deep state and has the most massive hate boner of all time for Trump...and nothing seems to make it go away.

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Rupert Murdoch was very anti Trump early on. That was in the Fire and Fury book. 

 

I could be wrong but isn’t CNN owned or run by Time-Warmer. Brian Warner is huge Liberal. Not that there’s anything wrong with that. 

 

It’s just like any job, nobody tells what you to do but you know trashing Trump is the move on CNN. I mean they basically admitted at some point to continue Trump Russia because ratings were up. Viewers control the media. If we tune into Trump collusion that’s the show they will run. It’s close to being a simulation. 

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11 hours ago, EstrangedTWAT said:

I think the deep state was anti-Trump.   I'm sure once he got elected, Trump realized real fast he had to play ball.

 

(((Whoever))) owns the mainstream media is for sure deep state and has the most massive hate boner of all time for Trump...and nothing seems to make it go away.


He represents a threat to their interests.

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On 4/7/2019 at 3:26 PM, Facekicker said:

Yeah, of course. 

 

Politicians come and go every four years. 

 

Bureaucrats, military and intelligence officials and other unelected goons are often there for 40-50 years. You think they just roll over and let some blow in start telling them what to do every election? Not a chance. 

 

They are embedded in the system. They are the system. 

 

I think the media is a bigger part of the so-called Deep State than your average institutional bureaucrat or intelligence official. There is no one in the intelligence or military establishment who has the power J. Edgar Hoover weld, and even he was not "the deep state." He was a useful tool the various Presidents he served relied on - a real life Varys, more than a Littlefinger.

That said, institutionalism in various departments and the CIA and FBI has been par for the course with every administration. But I do not think it goes to the level of X-Files style shadow government. Just lifers in these groups dragging their heels at new ideas.

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9 minutes ago, Facekicker said:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Mockingbird

 

If you think they still don't do this then you are a fool

 

It is widely known that every major Western media outlet has been influenced by the CIA. 

 

 

I see that the JFK Killer George Bush had his hands in this.

 

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On 4/7/2019 at 7:51 PM, arnold layne said:

Is the Trump presidency proof there's a Deep State?

 

Based upon his campaign and how things are going, I think there's no doubt someone or somebody else is pulling the strings. 

 

Yes but not in the way you think.

Trump is pulling the strings but deep state tries to hamper and stop him.

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Trump is exposing the deep state and media. Deep state is now a mainstream term now.

 

It’s crazy truck drivers across the US are out to destroy the deep state. 

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