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Many Saints of Newark (Sopranos prequel)

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23 hours ago, wasted said:

Maybe, the vibe I got that AJ was over going straight. He might not be like the boss but who knows. 


At the end AJ  is working for Little Carmine's porno business as basically a D girl. He's a civilian. And do you think the Mafia would allow in a mental case with a history of suicide attempts? To guys like that that's like a half step from being a fag. Chase actually said somewhere that basically doing low level production work with Little Carmine and having a life like that is his most likely existence after the Sopranos ends.

 

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New shots of Gandolfini in the role:

 

 

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1970s era Paulie Walnuts (left)
 

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Bernthal as Tony's father, Johnny Boy. This is my one major point of contention with the casting:
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The guy who played his dad in the TV series in the flashbacks looked much more authentic and much more Italian:

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2 hours ago, Miser said:


At the end AJ  is working for Little Carmine's porno business as basically a D girl. He's a civilian. And do you think the Mafia would allow in a mental case with a history of suicide attempts? To guys like that that's like a half step from being a fag. Chase actually said somewhere that basically doing low level production work with Little Carmine and having a life like that is his most likely existence after the Sopranos ends.

 

That makes sense some kind of low life existence, crime. But it’s like I could see his connections taking him to working at bada bings or something. Doing side deals. I’m not saying the boss. Maybe like Chrissy. But the mob was kind of over? I coukd see him being porn director then just oding. But did Tony die? I mean who knows how that woukd affect him. He’s a pussy but it might send him psycho? Then all his connections would come in. 

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The 70s thing makes me think it’s going to be unwatchable. It’s not going to have the Goodfellas thing. 

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10 hours ago, wasted said:

The 70s thing makes me think it’s going to be unwatchable. It’s not going to have the Goodfellas thing. 


Goodfellas takes place mostly in the 1970s. The bulk of it, anyway. It's set from 1955 to 1980.

Also, Many Saints of Newark is gonna be set both in 1967, and in the mid 1970s.

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53 minutes ago, Miser said:


Goodfellas takes place mostly in the 1970s. The bulk of it, anyway. It's set from 1955 to 1980.

Also, Many Saints of Newark is gonna be set both in 1967, and in the mid 1970s.

Maybe it’s the 60s I’m seeing. Goodfellas seemed late 70s-80s and we were seeing it late 80s? This is seeing the 60s in 2020. It looks a bit old timey?

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4 hours ago, Alex Trebek said:

tony looks like a straight BITCH


He looks like a typical male Italian teenager in the mid 70s would've looked. Welcome Back Kotter was huge and people wanted to look like Vinnie Barbarino.

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3 hours ago, wasted said:

Maybe it’s the 60s I’m seeing. Goodfellas seemed late 70s-80s and we were seeing it late 80s? This is seeing the 60s in 2020. It looks a bit old timey?

 

The pix I've been posting are from the 70s portion of the film. 60s fashion (think Mad Men) has aged a lot better than the 70s. Also as far as Goodfellas some of the looks of the 70s were purposely avoided because there was a backlash still, but go watch the film again, look at Henry's house, it's dated as fuck for example.

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2 hours ago, Miser said:

 

The pix I've been posting are from the 70s portion of the film. 60s fashion (think Mad Men) has aged a lot better than the 70s. Also as far as Goodfellas some of the looks of the 70s were purposely avoided because there was a backlash still, but go watch the film again, look at Henry's house, it's dated as fuck for example.

Yeah I sort of parlay Goodfellas into Sopranos. I’m not sure they even wear tracksuits in Goodfellas. Maybe in Casino they do. The best thing about Sopranos was them getting all the new things like flat screens and stupid blenders. Paulie watching the History channel like it’s the luxury life. 

 

I’m sort of worried they are going to ruin Sopranos’ immaculate record with this movie. Is Tony going to get raped or something? No prequel has ever not sucked and tried too hard. Hopefully Chase is depressed enough to pull it off. 

 

Why didn’t they just make a tv series of it? A movie nobody is going to see it. Who wants to see a tv movie in a I-Max theatre. I guess it will be on HBO soon though. 

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14 minutes ago, wasted said:

Yeah I sort of parlay Goodfellas into Sopranos. I’m not sure they even wear tracksuits in Goodfellas. Maybe in Casino they do. The best thing about Sopranos was them getting all the new things like flat screens and stupid blenders. Paulie watching the History channel like it’s the luxury life. 

 

I’m sort of worried they are going to ruin Sopranos’ immaculate record with this movie. Is Tony going to get raped or something? No prequel has ever not sucked and tried too hard. Hopefully Chase is depressed enough to pull it off. 

 

Why didn’t they just make a tv series of it? A movie nobody is going to see it. Who wants to see a tv movie in a I-Max theatre. I guess it will be on HBO soon though. 

 

No track suits in Goodfellas. Also the track suit thing is to show in part how the Mob has 'declined' and to specifically show how the Jersey Mob is more a bunch of wannabes or trashy guys compared to New York. Go rewatch The Sopranos and look at how Tony and his crew dresses, then compare it to the guys we see from New York. You never see Johnny Sack in a track suit. 

 

The movie is gonna be centered around Dickie Moltisanti, Chris' dad, so I think it'll avoid the prequel trap of showing every moment of the original protagonists' life; Tony will be a side character in this, it's not like Star Wars where we're gonna see every fart of his existence. The main character is someone else, and it's an era that's not about him. He's a nobody. A 14 or 15 year old kid whose dad happens to be a big shot in the Mafia, but little else. Prequels fail when they try to do fan service and show every important moment of a character's life and they fail by doing it in ways fans didn't imagine it being like. Since this film is probably gonna go no further than him being 14 or 15, and he's a side character, you're not gonna see heavily talked about moments from his past or him rising up in the Mafia. It'll be isolated moments in 1974 or 1975 that we had no idea about. That works, because then it exists as its own separate thing.

The only prequels I can think of that 'failed' were Star Wars and The Hobbit, and both of those suffer from the same symptoms; it doesn't mean every prequel is doomed to failure. Didn't they do several X-Men prequels that were really good?

When The Sopranos ended, Chase was too burned out by the whole experience to dive back into that world. He always wanted to make The Sopranos into a movie, in fact, if the Pilot episode hadn't gotten picked up by any network, he was gonna shoot like an hour more footage and make it into a movie.

To me it doesn't matter how much it makes or how popular it is as long as it's good.
 

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I think lookwise its great. But I have trouble to see him pull off Tony Soprano like his father did. If it will be good will depend on the story. 

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4 minutes ago, JeanGenie said:

I think lookwise its great. But I have trouble to see him pull off Tony Soprano like his father did. If it will be good will depend on the story. 


Well if you think about this way, he doesn't really have to so much: Tony Soprano isn't TONY SOPRANO yet. He's a 14 or 15 year kid who hasn't murdered anyone, hasn't been inducted into the Mafia, hasn't done anything to make him that different from most teenagers other than happen to be born into a criminal family. He might have the same underlying traits as Tony: depression, the brooding, etc. But he might also be very different since in the series it's said Tony was a light hearted jokester and class clown as a teen. There's a wide canvass really because the character is Tony but not, at the same time, if that makes sense. As such it doesn't require the same level of intensity as James Gandolfini brought to the role. There's not all the baggage to the character that James' version had. 

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19 minutes ago, Miser said:

 

No track suits in Goodfellas. Also the track suit thing is to show in part how the Mob has 'declined' and to specifically show how the Jersey Mob is more a bunch of wannabes or trashy guys compared to New York. Go rewatch The Sopranos and look at how Tony and his crew dresses, then compare it to the guys we see from New York. You never see Johnny Sack in a track suit. 

 

The movie is gonna be centered around Dickie Moltisanti, Chris' dad, so I think it'll avoid the prequel trap of showing every moment of the original protagonists' life; Tony will be a side character in this, it's not like Star Wars where we're gonna see every fart of his existence. The main character is someone else, and it's an era that's not about him. He's a nobody. A 14 or 15 year old kid whose dad happens to be a big shot in the Mafia, but little else. Prequels fail when they try to do fan service and show every important moment of a character's life and they fail by doing it in ways fans didn't imagine it being like. Since this film is probably gonna go no further than him being 14 or 15, and he's a side character, you're not gonna see heavily talked about moments from his past or him rising up in the Mafia. It'll be isolated moments in 1974 or 1975 that we had no idea about. That works, because then it exists as its own separate thing.

The only prequels I can think of that 'failed' were Star Wars and The Hobbit, and both of those suffer from the same symptoms; it doesn't mean every prequel is doomed to failure. Didn't they do several X-Men prequels that were really good?

When The Sopranos ended, Chase was too burned out by the whole experience to dive back into that world. He always wanted to make The Sopranos into a movie, in fact, if the Pilot episode hadn't gotten picked up by any network, he was gonna shoot like an hour more footage and make it into a movie.

To me it doesn't matter how much it makes or how popular it is as long as it's good.
 

I think prequels fail because they aren’t the same as the orginal. I want more Sopranos but I’ll get something that messes with the original or something else. So you have to be a super fan to really get into it. You have to oscillate between the Chrissy story and this prequel. That’s too hard for most people. 

 

It’s often meant to connect like that Aliens movie? You have to sort of be telepathic to get it. I’m a dumbass I don’t even get the Terminator story. I have no idea what was happening in Salvation. Terminator is meant to be a killing machine chasing a chick. Once you lose that dynamic and you’re doing a road movie it gets diluted. 

 

Anyways I just hope they keep the component parts of Sopranos. Whatever mixture that was. The big mistake is always getting lost in the story. To me that was just something to hang the comedy violence and bling on. Pine Barrens was barely relevant to the story but it’s the best episode. 

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2 hours ago, wasted said:

I think prequels fail because they aren’t the same as the orginal. I want more Sopranos but I’ll get something that messes with the original or something else. So you have to be a super fan to really get into it. You have to oscillate between the Chrissy story and this prequel. That’s too hard for most people. 

 

It’s often meant to connect like that Aliens movie? You have to sort of be telepathic to get it. I’m a dumbass I don’t even get the Terminator story. I have no idea what was happening in Salvation. Terminator is meant to be a killing machine chasing a chick. Once you lose that dynamic and you’re doing a road movie it gets diluted. 

 

Anyways I just hope they keep the component parts of Sopranos. Whatever mixture that was. The big mistake is always getting lost in the story. To me that was just something to hang the comedy violence and bling on. Pine Barrens was barely relevant to the story but it’s the best episode. 

 

By want more Sopranos, what do you mean exactly? Because you're getting a lot of the original characters who were in the show - just younger. You're also getting new faces, like we got every season. I think there's enough to it that could hook mob movie fans beyond just Sopranos fans. The Chrissy story and this prequel are the same movie....?

What's the dynamic in the Sopranos, really? A guy in the Mafia struggling with two families. One blood, the other bloody.

The mixture that made The Sopranos good was the balance of Family vs. family. Tony's mafia family versus his blood family, and him having to juggle both needs and wants in a changing period of time (1990s-early 00s). We'll see what the crisis is in this story but I can think of no period of greater change than the 60s and 70s and being in the Mafia in that era, being Italian in that era, was pretty challenging. Besides the fact that the Mafia then was both at its height and at its bloodiest, and the nuclear family was starting to disintegrate. There's a lot of cultural things that could be played upon here, as the Sopranos wove the cultural themes of American decay in the late 90s and mid 00s.

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6 hours ago, Miser said:


He looks like a typical male Italian teenager in the mid 70s would've looked. Welcome Back Kotter was huge and people wanted to look like Vinnie Barbarino.

ok? he still looks like tony soprano if he was actually a soprano

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7 minutes ago, Alex Trebek said:

ok? he still looks like tony soprano if he was actually a soprano

He looks like his father, James. I dunno how you can't see it.

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3 minutes ago, Alex Trebek said:

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Tony Soy-prano


Instead of alt right shit posting, explain. How does he look like a soyboy?

Did this version of teenage Tony, from a flashback in the show, also look soy to you, if so, why?
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skinny arms, face as smooth as a baby's ass, woman haircut

inb4 "but alex, skinny arms, smooth babyfaces and woman haircuts were all the rage in the 70s!"

tony was a fucking man - i can't picture this kid doing/saying some of the shit tony did in the show

 

that said i'm sure this show will live or die based on his performance, not his testosterone levels

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11 minutes ago, Alex Trebek said:

skinny arms, face as smooth as a baby's ass, woman haircut

inb4 "but alex, skinny arms, smooth babyfaces and woman haircuts were all the rage in the 70s!"

tony was a fucking man - i can't picture this kid doing/saying some of the shit tony did in the show

 

that said i'm sure this show will live or die based on his performance, not his testosterone levels

 

I do agree he should be bulkier physically, but I don't really see that smooth of a face and I'm sorry to ruin your in b4 but 9 out of 10 guys in the 70s had long hair. If you didn't you were a dork. You say you can't imagine this kid doing or saying things Tony did in the show - you mean when he was a hardened, 40+ year old murderer, as opposed to being a 14/15 year old kid? Tony, as established within the show, wasn't headed for the gangster life when he was younger. He was an athlete who went to college for a semester and a half. Most future gangsters, at least, back then, didn't go to college. The show goes out of its way to show that, no, Tony Soprano isn't a "fucking man", not really. Not the kind of man his father would 100% respect. This is a guy who goes to a shrink twice a week, takes anxiety pills and anti-depressants, suffers panic attacks, and literally cries over a dead horse. He considers giving an openly gay underling a pass. Now compare Tony's character in the show to one of the other characters like Phil Leotardo.

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3 minutes ago, Alex Trebek said:

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"Whack Big Pussy? Y-you guys can do that without me, right?"


You mean, the same guy who later in life had tears in his eyes as he was about to pull the trigger, right? Who was so torn apart by Puss being a rat that he buried it in his subconscious for over a year, and still had the fucking guy visit him in dreams later on?

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Crying watching The Public Enemy because the main character's mother loved him, and his own mother didn't.

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Crying cause a slutty Russian ex-mistress he dumped cucked him for an Assemblyman he has in his pocket.

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