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10 hours ago, magisme said:

If someone proved a JFK conspiracy it would probably trend on twitter for 3 days and then disappear from the public consciousness.

That’s what happened with the Trump Kennedy files. Mainstream media buried it. Only the whackjobs actually care if the son of an Irish bootlegger got himself whacked by trying to break up

the mob, CIA and MIC. I mean what an idiot. 

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1 hour ago, wasted said:

That’s what happened with the Trump Kennedy files. Mainstream media buried it. Only the whackjobs actually care if the son of an Irish bootlegger got himself whacked by trying to break up

the mob, CIA and MIC. I mean what an idiot. 


Kennedy was a pretty ineffective President in terms of actual achievements, who would likely be forgotten if he wasn't fortunate enough to have died young and handsome. While he was a great orator and moderate Democrat (he did next to nothing on civil rights issues until 1963 when African American pressure forced him to take action) and a good to decent leader, very few of his legislative program actually passed. Most of what Kennedy is remembered for was gotten through Congress after his death by Lyndon Johnson including his tax cut, Medicare and Medicaid and the War on Poverty program. Kennedy didn't even want to take us to the Moon (in the last weeks of his life, he was in talks of doing a joint US-Soviet mission to save money as he viewed the mission to the Moon as a boondoggle). He was substance, not style. As far as going after the Mafia: He bit the hand that fed. His infamous comment about the CIA was made once in his life after the Bay of Pigs invasion and he said it in anger due to the fact he felt they fucked up. He made no significant action against the CIA in the two and a half years of his Presidency. As far as taking action against the military industrial complex, you do realize that under Kennedy, the Cold War reached it's arguable height through an immense military build up and arms race which happened under Kennedy, and that the closest the world has ever come to nuclear war happened under his watch right? You realize that Kennedy was a Cold Warrior who was the ONLY Democratic Senator to not vote for the censure of Joe McCarthy, who was a family friend and even dated his sister, right? You realize as well that Kennedy increased our involvement in Vietnam from 1,600 or so soldiers on the day of his inauguration in 1961 to 16,000 on the day of his death, and that his ordering of the coup which resulted in the death of Diem just three weeks prior to his own death resulted in Vietnam becoming unsustainable politically which necessitated our deeper involvement in the country. Kennedy was style, not substance.

As far as his assassination: The most likely conspiracy if there was any is that Oswald was either 1) Involved with Pro-Castro Cubans in some way, and the government covered this up so that fervor for war with Cuba would not result 2) J. Edgar Hoover's FBI failed to adequately monitor an unstable man who was a threat and this was covered up so as to protect the FBI's reputation 3) Least likely to me but Oswald was an FBI informant or CIA operative of some level and his status as such was covered up as it would be very embarrassing for either agency to have to admit publicly in 1963 (on the grounds of preserving public credibility and trust in either/or agency) that a man in their employ killed the President.

 



 

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Just now, Miser said:


Kennedy was a pretty ineffective President in terms of actual achievements, who would likely be forgotten if he wasn't fortunate enough to have died young and handsome. While he was a great orator and moderate Democrat (he did next to nothing on civil rights issues until 1963 when African American pressure forced him to take action) and a good to decent leader, very few of his legislative program actually passed. Most of what Kennedy is remembered for was gotten through Congress after his death by Lyndon Johnson including his tax cut, Medicare and Medicaid and the War on Poverty program. Kennedy didn't even want to take us to the Moon (in the last weeks of his life, he was in talks of doing a joint US-Soviet mission to save money as he viewed the mission to the Moon as a boondoggle). He was substance, not style. As far as going after the Mafia: He bit the hand that fed. His infamous comment about the CIA was made once in his life after the Bay of Pigs invasion and he said it in anger due to the fact he felt they fucked up. He made no significant action against the CIA in the two and a half years of his Presidency. As far as taking action against the military industrial complex, you do realize that under Kennedy, the Cold War reached it's arguable height through an immense military build up and arms race which happened under Kennedy, and that the closest the world has ever come to nuclear war happened under his watch right? You realize that Kennedy was a Cold Warrior who was the ONLY Democratic Senator to not vote for the censure of Joe McCarthy, who was a family friend and even dated his sister, right? You realize as well that Kennedy increased our involvement in Vietnam from 1,600 or so soldiers on the day of his inauguration in 1961 to 16,000 on the day of his death, and that his ordering of the coup which resulted in the death of Diem just three weeks prior to his own death resulted in Vietnam becoming unsustainable politically which necessitated our deeper involvement in the country. Kennedy was style, not substance.

As far as his assassination: The most likely conspiracy if there was any is that Oswald was either 1) Involved with Pro-Castro Cubans in some way, and the government covered this up so that fervor for war with Cuba would not result 2) J. Edgar Hoover's FBI failed to adequately monitor an unstable man who was a threat and this was covered up so as to protect the FBI's reputation 3) Least likely to me but Oswald was an FBI informant or CIA operative of some level and his status as such was covered up as it would be very embarrassing for either agency to have to admit publicly in 1963 (on the grounds of preserving public credibility and trust in either/or agency) that a man in their employ killed the President.

 



 

From what I’ve read it was more what Kennedy was going to do. Although when he came in he took on establishment team, he played along but as he got more media attention he wanted to be a Beatle. He had some wild ideas. Pull out of Vietnam, kill mob which is dangerous as they helped Joe Kennedy win the election for Kennedy in Dallas as I remember. Giancana was pissed off with JFK. 

 

Oswald is well known to be hanging around with anti castro guys who all wanted to get Castro. Some of them had ties to the black ops team JFK fucked in the Bay of Pigs. So there was black ops/Cia guys who wanted Kennedy dead.kennedy got their friends killed.  Plus the far right for being pro African American, they got MLK too. 

 

The reason Oswald was pretending to be marxist or whatever is that he was an agent sent to Russia to defect. This was his basic cover. But they didn’t buy it. He had beef with the military who kind of kicked him out of the programme. He also took at shot at Walker. He was a known crazy trying to do something. It’s possible he fell in with the Bay of Pigs guys. A team was put together with him as the fall guy. Ruby killing Oswald is pure mafia move. On the day of Kennedys death over 100 known hitmen were staying around Dealy Plaza in Dallas. 

 

There’s also a well known tie from his military handler who was a russian oil connected agent who was friends with HW Bush. That’s the real conspiracy. That’s the wild stuff. Muntsanrio or some russian name was possibly working for Bush to set up the hit. 

 

Remember when Reagan got shot by Hinkley. Bush family had dinner woth Hinkley family night before. 

 

I do think it’s possible that people do get wrapped up in these things and the crazy guy does something. It’s like Dems now can’t process anything because Trump is a russian agent. There’s some crazy guy who will try to act on it. 

 

Come on though MLK, Robert Kennedy also get merc’d? Come on these politicians arent much better than mob. They are all just out to scam money out of the system. They don’t own the gov. The debt is owned by us. So just borrow, shift it to your department, get the big salary off it. Then start getting a piece of the pie. 

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On 1/29/2019 at 12:15 AM, wasted said:

From what I’ve read it was more what Kennedy was going to do. Although when he came in he took on establishment team, he played along but as he got more media attention he wanted to be a Beatle. He had some wild ideas. Pull out of Vietnam, kill mob which is dangerous as they helped Joe Kennedy win the election for Kennedy in Dallas as I remember. Giancana was pissed off with JFK. 

 

Oswald is well known to be hanging around with anti castro guys who all wanted to get Castro. Some of them had ties to the black ops team JFK fucked in the Bay of Pigs. So there was black ops/Cia guys who wanted Kennedy dead.kennedy got their friends killed.  Plus the far right for being pro African American, they got MLK too. 

 

The reason Oswald was pretending to be marxist or whatever is that he was an agent sent to Russia to defect. This was his basic cover. But they didn’t buy it. He had beef with the military who kind of kicked him out of the programme. He also took at shot at Walker. He was a known crazy trying to do something. It’s possible he fell in with the Bay of Pigs guys. A team was put together with him as the fall guy. Ruby killing Oswald is pure mafia move. On the day of Kennedys death over 100 known hitmen were staying around Dealy Plaza in Dallas. 

 

There’s also a well known tie from his military handler who was a russian oil connected agent who was friends with HW Bush. That’s the real conspiracy. That’s the wild stuff. Muntsanrio or some russian name was possibly working for Bush to set up the hit. 

 

Remember when Reagan got shot by Hinkley. Bush family had dinner woth Hinkley family night before. 

 

I do think it’s possible that people do get wrapped up in these things and the crazy guy does something. It’s like Dems now can’t process anything because Trump is a russian agent. There’s some crazy guy who will try to act on it. 

 

Come on though MLK, Robert Kennedy also get merc’d? Come on these politicians arent much better than mob. They are all just out to scam money out of the system. They don’t own the gov. The debt is owned by us. So just borrow, shift it to your department, get the big salary off it. Then start getting a piece of the pie. 

It’s all how you present it and want to make ties though. 

 

For example. Bush family had dinner with Hinkley family sounds very sketchy. But does it sound as bad if the dinner was the Vice President son having a dinner party and the date of one of the guests was Hinkley’s brother, who the young Bush’s said they had never met before then?

 

Conspiracy theories lose their luster when you realize that every single event in history has a conspiracy theory attached to it. Every. Single. One. 

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4 hours ago, Skeeter said:

It’s all how you present it and want to make ties though. 

 

For example. Bush family had dinner with Hinkley family sounds very sketchy. But does it sound as bad if the dinner was the Vice President son having a dinner party and the date of one of the guests was Hinkley’s brother, who the young Bush’s said they had never met before then?

 

Conspiracy theories lose their luster when you realize that every single event in history has a conspiracy theory attached to it. Every. Single. One. 

I think the Reagan Hinkley one tenuous at best. I think rich famiies all live and hang out together. There’s a road in DC where Obama lives next quite a few of his political enemies. Their kids go to school with each other. Ivanka and Chelsea know each other. 

 

Events in history tend to happen to rich and powerful people. Bush family and Bin Ladens Saudi Royals have more in common. Than us and Bush. In the cold war when US supported Al qaeda against Russia, Bush familiy used to meet up Bin Ladens. Geprge and Osama played together as kids. So conspiracy is often misused. Remember we supported Saddam in the war against Iran. People are always switching sides. US wants ME countries to trade in the petro dollar. After the war Saddam nationalized oil. Suddenly they want him out. The axis of evil are just countries that don’t play ball. Is that a conspiracy? Not really they just know they can’t say that so they paint them in bad light. 

 

HW Bush used to boast about how he trained Al qaeda to get a superpower Russia to destroy itself fighting pointless wars. Guess what happened when the US abandoned them after the cold war was over. This happened in Syria too under Obama. They fund them through CIA, now Trump pulled that program to defeat them kind of. So now the US is their enemy again. 

 

To me there’s too much shady stuff happening around JFK killing. Too many anti Kennedy people around Oswald. Ex cia and black ops guys. Mob ties. Then he gets killed in prison. Plus all these blacked out parts of report. They directly show bullets from the front. 2 people equals conspiracy. 

Conspiracy isn’t that bad. Just mean 2 or more people planned it. Oswald can’t be the only guy who wanted to do this. Maybe the mob set him up. He was hanging around with people who wanted Kennedy dead. 

 

Now recently an accepted story is that a bodyguard in the car behind shot Kennedy by accident. When Oswalds gun went off, he turned and his gun went off. This is more believed than the surgeon generals report? Or even Hoover saying we have to convince them of lone shooter theory. This is all from the CIAs own reports. They covered something up. 

 

Even if it was just Oswald they are then covering up how he was allowed to defect to the USSR and come back without being arrested. They at the very least lost control of an agent. They fucked up. Maybe it’s just embarrassing that Russians brainwashed him and sent him back and he pulled it off. But none of the files say anything like this. It all points to CIA/LBJ plot. 

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