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Best/Worst US Presidents

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Decided to start a thread about all presidents so the Trump threads don't veer too far off topic.

 

Don't have the time ATM to get too deep into these issues but here's my cliffs notes list.

 

 

Reagan- Obviously I am a fan. :P  Reagan does not nearly get enough credit for the massive economic boom that happened on his watch and thanks to the policies he enacted. Trickle down economics is considered evil even though it worked.....at the time. The media used to call it Reaganomics and I loved his line to the media during a press conference when the economic boom was underway....

 

"You guys stopped calling it Reaganomics when it started working".

 

Did it have its cons? Certainly. The Reagan boom was interesting as there were a few downturns in the midst of it. The farming/housing crisis the big enchilada although even this corrected itself in time. The insane deficit spending...which would be considered chump change in today's world....set a terrible precedent that both dem and repub presidents would continue to the present day. The deficit spending was required. reagan had a HUGE task.....rebuild the military that Carter attempted to gut and of course Reagan knew he was living in a vital moment of history where he had a real shot at taking the Soviet Union down without the need to fire a shot.

 

"peace through strength" was his motto....and it worked. He made the US military the most powerful in the history of civilization and it is still 'Reagan's war machine". There were very few US conflicts during his presidency and they were all swift, surgical, and he meant business. When Reagan talked, the world paid attention and took the comments seriously. He had a reputation as a war monger even though no major wars happened on his watch.

 

He loathed the UN and rightfully so. He saw the UN for what it really was and his worst case scenarios of what the UN would become are spot on and what the UN has done since the 90s. He considered pulling the US out of it but knew it would be a diplomatic crisis so was pragmatic on the issue and kept us in it.

 

We have Reagan to thank for the Soviet Union not turning South and Central America into a series of Soviet vassal states with bases covering the region. The Soviets had wanted to do this for decades. They tested reagan's resolve on this issue with Grenada and he bitch slapped them and the story of Grenada is sadly overlooked by many historians for some reason. I suppose the quickness of the conflict and how successful it was doesn't make for a great story to cover but there were many layers to that story.

 

many other great things during his presidency but I'll skip those for now and go to some of the cons.....

 

AIDS- After his presidency was over he had huge regrets not doing anything of substance on the issue and rightfully so. Not much was known about the disease but some of his advisers told him it wass a gay disease and nothing to worry about so he did not advocate huge funding and research to figure out the coming epidemic.

 

Beirut- A MASSIVE clusterfuck. His response to the terrorist attack that killed hundreds of marines and french troops was a disgrace. Instead of going the secret route with a handful of assassinations and CIA funded car bombings(one in front of a Coke billboard, sending the signal that it was the US who ordered it), there should have been a major retaliation of bombings in Beirut, Syria, Palestinian targets, and Israel should've been sanctioned for its role in stirring up that hornet's nest. Instead, we put our tail between our legs and pulled out.

 

 

Iraq/Iran- reagan gets some unfair criticisms on this subject but some of it is warranted. He played a very dangerous game of chess here with a proxy war within a proxy war. A major confrontation in the middle east in the mid 80s would've been a tripwire for WWIII and Reagan lucked out here. His image as a war monger helped keep the Soviets in check but had the crisis spiraled out of control, they would've intervened. The naval battle between the US and Iran in 88 was so one sided and a bullet was dodged here. Its forgotten by many.

 

Iran-Contra obviously but wont go deep into that now but the only reason he wasn't impeached on this issue is Congress believed him when he said he wasn't running it and he also was in the final phase of his presidency. IMpeachment hearings would've been a clusterfuck and no sense in plunging the country into that so soon after Watergate.

 

 

Kennedy- One the best AND worst presidents. His presidency was so short and he wasn't able to actually achieve much. What many people love about him was the "promise" of great things that never got to be and of course how charismatic he was. He was the country's first 'rock star' president.

 

He was also the most dangerous person to ever be in the white house and yes I place him above Nixon in this category. He had an uncontrollable ego that could not be quenched, the cockiest person to ever hold the office, and the fact he had small children and was eventually assassinated is probably the only reason the world has yet to be blown up.

 

He deserves major kudos for his handling of the Cuban Missile crisis. He was the right man for the job at the time and this is why he deserves to be mentioned when people speak of our great presidents. Having said that, civilization dodged a huge bullet here. If Kruschev hadn't pussed out and sent the wire informing Kennedy and State that they were pulling out of Cuba immediately, Russia, China, and Cuba wouldn't even exist right now and neither would about four or five US cities. What made this situation even more dangerous in hindsight was when it came out he was using drugs with one of his mistresses during this crisis.

 

It is a myth that kennedy was a "man of peace" and wanted nothing to do with Vietnam and had plans to pull us out after he was re-elected. He's the one who got us in there in the first place and continued to escalate it. He originally considered bombing Laos even before going the adviser route in Vietnam. I have a bridge to sell anyone who thinks a man with kennedy's ego would be the first president to run from a major conflict. IMO(and many others), Kennedy would've escalated the Vietnam conflict after re-election... not de-escalate.

 

The Bay of Pigs fiasco is the only reason he wavered on Vietnam. He would've got over that quickly once a second term was in the bag and he was counting on a landslide victory against Goldwater. Also take into account his handling of Cuba and the Soviets during the missile crisis would have certainly sent his hubris up a few notches.

 

One difference between Kennedy and JOhnson on Vietnam is Kennedy would not have needed to fabricate a Gulf of Tonkin to go in. He would've just went in and explained his reasons why.

 

Other great presidents are Roosevelt(both of them), Clinton(MANY pros and cons here... should just be considered good), and Truman did some good things but was in a pickle obviously.

 

Worst presidents are Carter, Ford, Hoover(obvious reasons) Nixon was a fuckup but had a few pros, and JOhnson had the potential to be great but his presidency was a huge mistake and never deserved to win after finishing out Kennedy's term.

 

I stuck to 20th century presidents obviously but you can list anyone. Obama was a disaster but not really sure where he should rank.

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Best:

1) Theodore Roosevelt
2) Franklin Roosevelt
3) Dwight Eisenhower

4) George Washington

5) Lyndon Johnson

Worst:

1) James Buchanan

2) Warren Harding
3) Calvin Coolidge
4) Jimmy Carter

5) Bill Clinton

 

Underrated:
1) James K. Polk

2) Ulysses S. Grant

3) William H. Taft

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I find this question so hard to answer. the original founding fathers that went on to become president deserve a lot of credit when it comes to "being best president(s) ever" taking a new country after a long and bloody fight for independence from the most power empire on the planet is a daunting task. not to mention the country was ready to rip itself apart(and did less than 100 years after the founding) at any given moment. the one thing i always liked about reading about reagan and kennedy was their optimism of the future, it always felt genuine and not forced like it is today.

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Andrew Johnson is probably one of the worst because of his absolute bungling of Reconstruction following the Civil War. Seriously, talk about awful work following what his predecessor Lincoln went through. Coolidge and Hoover were horrendous, as was James Buchanan.

 

Some of the best were Washington, Jefferson, Madison, Lincoln, both Roosevelts, and imo Clinton. 

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Andrew Johnson is probably one of the worst because of his absolute bungling of Reconstruction following the Civil War. Seriously, talk about awful work following what his predecessor Lincoln went through. Coolidge and Hoover were horrendous, as was James Buchanan.

 

Some of the best were Washington, Jefferson, Madison, Lincoln, both Roosevelts, and imo Clinton.

Andrew Jackson was a fuck. LSU named a dormitory after him.

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only one president has eradicated shit motley crue

 

1. Donald Trump

Have to give you that one. 

 

He's still a pile of shit just like the rest of them though. 

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