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Jackie Moon Presents: The Combat Sports (WWE/MMA) Thread of Excellence

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damnit i meant to say erections, goddamn autocorrect.

 

Okay, whatever, point ls, lets get hard. lets get real hard. Not like,Nate Diaz hard. That's hard like, ruins your life- get shot at Dairy Queen.

 

Lets get hard like, macho man, where we enjoy it.

 

Let me try to get back on track;

 

THIS IS A THREAD IN WHICH TO DISCUSS COMBAT SPORTS - MIXED MARTIAL ARTS AND PROFESSIONAL WRESTLING

 

and if you don't believe pro wrestling is a combat sport, kindly go fuck yourself.

 

I'll start with saying this - JDS looked fantastic vs Rothwell. I really thought Big Ben would win. I really did. I bet on him. But JDS's boxing was fantastic, and his body shots were a bigger factor than most realized.

 

Derrick Lewis is terrifying / hilarious (social media follow him!) - his KO's are always hilarious.

 

In pro wrestling - Big Cass and Enzo just appeared on RAW - and you cant. teach that.

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Ronda Rousey, or whatever that cow is called, getting knocked the fuck out was pure poetry.

 

It was honestly the best - she was such a raging bitch. I mean, I believe she is a nice girl in her heart, but obviously troubled, but she went to far - was a huge bitch. Got fucked up.

 

She is making huge mistakes in reaction to that loss - staying with her coach - between round 1/2 "you're doing great, champ!" Camon son, she was already KO'd. 

 

Holly Holm did something great - amazing moment. But then Meisha Tate did something amazing, i've not been a huge fan of hers in the past, but she was losing her title shot and in minute 24 of 25, she went for it, and choked her out.

 

But Amanda Nunes is a real threat - UFC 200 will be interesting.

 

 

Conor and I have tried countless wrestling threads here over the years

I know. They didn't catch on. But they were not "The Jackie Moon" thread of... this will be a great success. Or i'll kill you before the tumor / meatball subs do.

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Conor and I have tried countless wrestling threads here over the years

 

But Jackie partially named the thread after himself, which automatically makes it more appealing to wresting/ufc outsiders.

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I apologise for Conor McGregor on behalf of the people of Ireland. Half the country think he's a twat and the other half think he's god, hopefully him getting knocked out will silence the latter and put an end to the epidemic of McGregor lookalikes roaming the streets.

Now if only someone could knock Bono out too everything would be right in the world again.

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Pro Wrestling has been very bad lately i used to be a fanatic about it. I have been to 3 shows in the last 2 years. My son loves it though so i watch it alot.

MMA has gone way down hill.

The last fight that i was pumped up for was Jones vs Cormier and last fight i watched live was Shamrock vs Gracie  Kimbo vs Dada 5000.

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I find it funny so many hyped people fall from grace so precipitously. Carano, Kimbo Slice, Lesnar, Rousey. They don't last long at the top.

 

thats the beautiful part of MMA though - you can't fake it. You can talk your dick off, but when the door closes, if you're not the best, or at least better than the guy/girl opposite you, you'll get worked.

 

Rousey got a major push. Guess what, hollywood? Holly Holm was better.

 

Lesnar - the beast! LOL, okay! Fight Overeem, and you'll be shitting blood for a week.

 

Diaz will beat Conor again, i believe / hope. I was shocked when he beat him. Conor was hitting him with shots, which i expected, but i did not expect the upgrade in weight class  to factor in so much (155, NOT 170, they fought at 170, but it was a 155 fight without weightcutting)... Conor fought a 155'er, and he took his shots, smiled, and let him gas. Rocked him with a punch, made him look like a snail on the ground.... That's amazing.

 

Conor should do whatever he can to stay at 145 / avoid Frankie Edgar. He should be begging for an Aldo rematch - then retire.

 

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Is this shit a sport?

 

 

In the middle age, maybe ....

is this shit a sport?

 

 

in the middle age, maybe...

 

is this shit a sport?

 

 

in the middle age, maybe...

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junior seau -NFL

derek boogaard -NHL

bobby probart -NHL

mike webster -NFL

 

They clearly died via their sports...didnt die in the ring, or in the arena, but the NHL / NFL killed those people...

 

I cringe more watching NFL and NHL than i do when i watch MMA - at least in MMA they are defending themselves - watch NHL or NFL and you'll see little to no physical defense - MMa should be rooted in this principal 'dont take damage - and win' - guys like Dominick Cruz, Lyoto Machida, Demetrius Johnson, they are the gold standard. the "stand and bang, bro" fighters should be discouraged - no one wants to see you absorb brain damage! Demien Meia - world class grappler - gets a hold of guys and strangles them - he has for sure taken a few shots... no one has died in a UFC fight - why? they are good - they are experienced, trained, and know what they're doing - the guys who die, die in these amateurish promotions...

 

NHL - 82 games a year? body checks?

NFL - 16 games a year + playoffs? play after play of physical contact?

 

I'm not against any of them - the brain trauma is part of the game - people die in all sorts of way - get too drunk after friday drinks, drive your car into a family of 5, shame for your family for life.

 

smoke too much - get lung cancer, die deader than fuck

get a job on a lobster boat, get foot caught in rope, drown your dick off.

 

it's a gamble - be successful, you could be set for life, or your brain could be scrambled and you could lose everything.

 

my thought is this-

 

NFL - no body contact until college - you can identify who has potential in professional ranks via flag football - who is fast, who can catch? don't have junior / high school kids hitting one another

 

same in hockey - don't have them hitting until 17+, and that is being generous

 

MMA - no one should be taking head shots until they're 20.

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This isnt a sport, this a barbarity.

It should be banned from modern, civilized societies... Like bullfighting, cockfighting and so on.

But thats what we get when theres too much money and small dicks involved.

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my thought is this-

 

NFL - no body contact until college - you can identify who has potential in professional ranks via flag football - who is fast, who can catch? don't have junior / high school kids hitting one another

 

same in hockey - don't have them hitting until 17+, and that is being generous

 

MMA - no one should be taking head shots until they're 20.

I won't pretend to know much about NFL, I'll watch a couple games a year but that's it. However in terms of the no body contact until college, they suggested doing that over here for rugby and it's one of the most ridiculous ideas I've ever heard, and I think would actually do a lot more harm than good. Again, I might be wrong in making the direct comparison, but here it's hugely important that you teach young players how to tackle properly. Bad tackling technique leads to injuries, and if you throw out a bunch of 18 year olds who are fast, strong and heavy with no idea of proper tackling technique because they've never been able to learn and practice it naturally, you're going to kill someone. 

 

I'm all for protecting players and everything, but I don't think banning contact like that is the way to go about it. I'm glad there's a much stricter policy regarding head injuries now though, and that's come on leaps and bounds in the last five or ten years.

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I think this is all a setup- McGregor vs Diaz 2 that is.  I see McGregor winning the rematch.  And then UFC can have a lovely story about how Conor trained so hard, and adapted his game to the higher weight, and conditioned his oxygen muscle replenishment, blah blah blah.  I'm not saying it's fixed, but I have my doubts about the true legitimacy of this oddball rematch.  What weight are they fighting at for the next bout?  

 

I liked in the first fight how even though the Irishman was getting good shots in, there were a few times Diaz just smiled and made some hand gestures.  Good stuff.    

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my thought is this-

 

NFL - no body contact until college - you can identify who has potential in professional ranks via flag football - who is fast, who can catch? don't have junior / high school kids hitting one another

 

same in hockey - don't have them hitting until 17+, and that is being generous

 

MMA - no one should be taking head shots until they're 20.

I won't pretend to know much about NFL, I'll watch a couple games a year but that's it. However in terms of the no body contact until college, they suggested doing that over here for rugby and it's one of the most ridiculous ideas I've ever heard, and I think would actually do a lot more harm than good. Again, I might be wrong in making the direct comparison, but here it's hugely important that you teach young players how to tackle properly. Bad tackling technique leads to injuries, and if you throw out a bunch of 18 year olds who are fast, strong and heavy with no idea of proper tackling technique because they've never been able to learn and practice it naturally, you're going to kill someone. 

 

I'm all for protecting players and everything, but I don't think banning contact like that is the way to go about it. I'm glad there's a much stricter policy regarding head injuries now though, and that's come on leaps and bounds in the last five or ten years.

 

I play ice hockey, i've played since i was 11 - same debate is had - and people say the same thing "you need to teach them to hit at a young age!"

 

you can't teach a person to take / give a hit at 18? really? the moment has passed? I always felt that was just a stupid redneck argument, no offense, not calling you a stupid redneck, just saying - i've only heard this from stupid rednecks.

 

 

I think this is all a setup- McGregor vs Diaz 2 that is.  I see McGregor winning the rematch.  And then UFC can have a lovely story about how Conor trained so hard, and adapted his game to the higher weight, and conditioned his oxygen muscle replenishment, blah blah blah.  I'm not saying it's fixed, but I have my doubts about the true legitimacy of this oddball rematch.  What weight are they fighting at for the next bout?  

 

I liked in the first fight how even though the Irishman was getting good shots in, there were a few times Diaz just smiled and made some hand gestures.  Good stuff.    

Nate is going to fuck him up. MacGregor dun goofed - he should have begged for Aldo 2. Everyone else will be a problem for him.

 

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my thought is this-

 

NFL - no body contact until college - you can identify who has potential in professional ranks via flag football - who is fast, who can catch? don't have junior / high school kids hitting one another

 

same in hockey - don't have them hitting until 17+, and that is being generous

 

MMA - no one should be taking head shots until they're 20.

I won't pretend to know much about NFL, I'll watch a couple games a year but that's it. However in terms of the no body contact until college, they suggested doing that over here for rugby and it's one of the most ridiculous ideas I've ever heard, and I think would actually do a lot more harm than good. Again, I might be wrong in making the direct comparison, but here it's hugely important that you teach young players how to tackle properly. Bad tackling technique leads to injuries, and if you throw out a bunch of 18 year olds who are fast, strong and heavy with no idea of proper tackling technique because they've never been able to learn and practice it naturally, you're going to kill someone. 

 

I'm all for protecting players and everything, but I don't think banning contact like that is the way to go about it. I'm glad there's a much stricter policy regarding head injuries now though, and that's come on leaps and bounds in the last five or ten years.

 

I play ice hockey, i've played since i was 11 - same debate is had - and people say the same thing "you need to teach them to hit at a young age!"

 

you can't teach a person to take / give a hit at 18? really? the moment has passed? I always felt that was just a stupid redneck argument, no offense, not calling you a stupid redneck, just saying - i've only heard this from stupid rednecks.

 

Well, I'd first argue that hockey players are a lot more protected from hits than rugby players. I'm not going to pretend to know much about it because I only watch a few games a year, but from what I've seen, there's considerably more technique in making a rugby tackle without injuring yourself or the ball carrier than clearing someone out in a hockey game. If you make a rugby tackle badly you're seriously at risk of neck or head injury, as is the other person. I'm not negating the risk of hits in hockey, but I'd say neck injury in particular comes more under scrutiny in rugby. You certainly can teach people to do this at 18, but there's a considerable difference in teaching 8 year olds how to do this before they become a lot faster and a lot stronger. Bad technique at 8 years results in a bit of a kerfuffle and a bruise or two in most cases, however if you've a fully grown 18 year old man with considerable pace and muscle mass running into someone who doesn't know how to tackle, and you've got a problem. There are certainly levels to it and contact should be gradually introduced, for sure, but I'm 100% against not teaching kids how to tackle properly because you will get so many serious injuries. I appreciate that might be the redneck argument over there, but it's definitely the normal argument over here. And while it's the normal argument, everyone agrees that we should always look for ways to make it safer, but I don't think that's one of them.

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I also do not know a lot about rubgy, so we agree on that :hi5:

 

i think the fact these kids are not physically developed should trump all other issues, which are debatable - what is not debatable; these skulls are not fully developed. Lets have fun with non-contact games, teach them about winning and losing - and if someone wants to get crazy later in life - do so.

 

I love MMA, and i think it should be a thing. but I saw a picture of 2 kids around 12 years old fighting, one with a mohawk - and i almost threw up - it's disgraceful.

 

They should be grappling, learning to wrestle, hitting a heavy bag - not taking headshots, Jesus Christ.

 

I feel it is similar to the stupid bitch in the american southwest who thought it was reasonable to have her 9 year old take lessons shooting an uzi, and the instructor ends up dead - those kids are not responsible, the parents are responsible, and clearly people are insane.

 

http://www.cnn.com/2014/08/26/us/arizona-girl-fatal-shooting-accident/index.html

 

These are the sorts of people having their 12 years olds compete in MMA fights.

 

In canada, hockey is such a culture, it does not appear odd to have your 14 year old kid skating full tilt into another kid, but it fucking should.

In the 1850's, it didn't seem odd to own a black person, doesn't mean its okay.

okay, maybe a bad example :awesome:

just kidding.

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Well I think rugby and hockey are a million miles away from the MMA argument, that really is sick. There's a difference between teaching someone how to tackle properly and to check in hockey and having your 12 year either get repeatedly twatted in the head or do the same to someone else. The whole point in teaching kids how to tackle is so that they can do it safely, but for sure, a lot of the focus in younger years is ball skills and positioning. It's much easier to beat a man by passing to a teammate than it is to run through him. At the same time though, if someone is running at you, you need to know how to bring him/her down without injuring yourself or them, and that's considerably safer than illegally tackling or just standing there and getting bulldozed. 

 

And as it's a huge school sport here, if someone isn't playing safely, they don't play. I guess that's where the redneck problem comes in... That MMA thing is ridiculous though, that really should an 18+ deal.

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