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  1. 8 hours ago, Ragnar said:

    Sorry is about Slash. Doesn't matter what Axl says. It applies to Slash.


    3 hours ago, sofine11 said:


    Yeah, I know Axl said something like "This is not a song about someone you used to know." back in 2010 but holy fuck, it's hard not to see it that way.  Even the "I'll kick your ass like I said that I would." bit from when he said that to Slash on stage during the Illusion tour, which was pretty well documented. 


    Yeah and Axl apologised for that because he was mistaken about the situation. He's also told a million people he'd kick their ass. 


    Blues is about Slash, Sorry is a composite including shitty journalists and fans. Duff was also the one who said "Just shut up and sing, Axl" so there's that too. 


    That's why they've never once played Blues which fits Slash's style way more and they've played Sorry loads including Axl doing his spin around from one side of Slash to the other thing and lean his arm on his shoulder. You REALLY think if it was all about Slash they'd both be doing that when they're still so tetchy they can't even play or release one new song in five years?! What reason did Axl have to lie back then when he said it wasn't about "someone I used to know?" 


    I once wrote huge post on the Gyna called 'Sorry is about Slash: Why I Don't Believe Axl' and I went through it line by line, forgetting at the time that it was Duff who said 'shut up and sing.' Then a couple of really smart posters brought up The Blues. You go through that line by line and tell me why it can't be about Slash. 


  2. On 4/8/2021 at 12:11 PM, wheresizzy said:

    I thought The Blues was Axl crying over Stephanie and it has been said that Sorry is actually an attack towards Slash and not limited to him. Axl made it through the verses pretty well though. Since Dec 2011, it has all been mostly shit, for me his old voice died after Nov 2011.


    Why I think Blues is about Slash: 1. If you go and read/listen to The Blues lyrics and apply them to Slash they 100% work and make sense. There isn't one single line that only works as if said to a romantic partner. 2. Blues is arguably the most traditional, Bluesy, Illusionsy, Slash-friendly song on the album from a musical standpoint and yet Slash and Duff CHOSE to rehearse and play Prostitute, Twat and Sorry instead despite them being way less Slash's wheelhouse. 3. Axl is absolutely adamant that Sorry is not about Slash. It would make sense that there was at least one song on the album about Slash. Madagascar seems more general about the breakup/old band etc. That leaves Blues as the only possibility. 


    Axl made it through the Sorry verses on NITL because they're bang in his piss-easy, low range and he never sang them with rasp. Where the song falls apart is when he comes in with "You've got all the answers" and "Nobody owes you" and instead of the powerful, furious, venomous chainsaw rasp of 2010 he emits a pitiful, falsetto whimper.


    Didn't they play that Philly show in 2012 where he basically sang with about 70% rasp by way of apology for 2002? Not to state the obvious like a broken record but how did it die in 2011 when he did AC/DC in 2016 and even with Guns was arguably about 60-80% of  what he was in 2010 depending on the song and night?

  3. 12 hours ago, wheresizzy said:

    What if he tries to gradually bury the whole album? Only two songs are left now. He could manage Sorry pretty well, but even that was gone in 2018, let alone half the album(Shacklers, The Blues, ITW, I.R.S, Riad and Scraped) gone by 2013.

    Not to get to Miser about it but I can't remember him doing sorry well at all on NITL. He hits the chorus with utterly pathetic, whiney falsetto. 


    Shacklers and ITW pushed him to his limit in 2010-2012, no chance in hell now. Scraped he couldn't do on his best day in 2010. Riad he hasn't done since 2002 because it needed the 100% hard, high clean voice and wasn't that great then. Blues is about Slash hence they haven't done it. 


    IRS is the only one the on paper he could maybe do something half decent with at this point.



  4. 1 hour ago, Monkey said:

    Interdasting. I think I've seen one or two things by Hancock by mere happenstance. I guess I fall more in line with the authors you commented on although I find them sanctimonious or obtuse on a handful of issues so was interesting what you had to say. I've heard Rogan espouse similar ideas, re: consciousness and evolution and brushed up against Timothy Leary quotes and ideas here and there.


    I still love and respect Christopher Hitchens and the others have still done masses of valuable work. But it just seems obvious to me after years of looking into what they automatically dismiss out of hand as "pseudo-science," and quackery that they're missing huge pieces of the bigger picture. 


    Rogan talks to everyone and regardless of what he thinks or believes privately he doesn't really give much away publicly, I mean in a general sense. He'll have a guest on who completely contradicts something that a previous guest talked about for 4 hours and he'll just take it in without pushing back much and that's fine. The fact that millions of people are listening to 4-hour, in-depth conversations and turning out in droves from CNN is a good thing. 


    Hancock has been on Rogan several times and i'd recommend all of those and Michael Shermer who's a mainstream sceptic has apologised for being wrong about several Hancock theories which have proved right. In 1995 Hancock was saying "human civilisation is much older and more mysterious than we've been led/allowed to believe" and twenty years later the same phrase has been the cover story on everything from national geographic to New Scientist. 


    The reason I said those 3 should go do a bunch of ayahuasca in Peru is because I think it would cause them to have to fundamentally re-evaluate some of their "settles science" and ideas. 


    But seriously, if you want to explore these increasingly mainstream ideas about the nature of reality and consciousness then bingeing Hancock is a great entry point because he combines the "hidden history" and consciousness subjects which are inseparable. 

  5. 8 hours ago, Monkey said:

    Could you please explain more? I’m interested in what you have to say here. PM me if you’d rather do so privately. 


    Harari is incredibly intelligent, but like so many materialist, reductionist scientists and thinkers he appears to dismiss or have zero knowledge or interest in anything that can't be quantified, measured and investigated easily by modern science. (To be clear i'm not suggesting we need any of this "progressive" social-constructionist crap that came from Derrida, Foucault and the other French 60s intellectual frauds). 


    In Harari's Mind In The Cave, the level of detail he goes into in terms of describing the methodologies used to try and figure out how human consciousness came to create these ancient cave drawings and why is staggering in its complexity. It's way above my pay grade. But in that entire book he mentions psychedelics in passing maybe a couple of times. For contemporary Western scientists like Harari and Dawkins, consciousness is an epiphenomenon of brain activity. The Universe is an accidental bang. All religions are merely the work of people trying to make sense of that they're yet to examine in a test tube. There is nothing of interest in the esoteric heritage of millenia across human civilisation. Human history is a largely linear upward trajectory and we are the apex. There is nothing mysterious or unknown about our past. 


    Quite aside from a lot of ancient cave art (increasingly found to date back hundreds of thousands of years) depicting various psychedelic plants and mushrooms, there's a lot of reasons to explore the theories that the use of psychedelics helped human consciousness leap forward. Cave drawings often depict similar images to the visions people draw after psychedelic trips today. Mainstream thinking instead tends to focus on external factors like the impact of climate and habitat change. 


    If you don't know him I'd really recommend searching Graham Hancock on YouTube and just getting stuck in. 



  6. On 3/31/2021 at 7:53 PM, november snow said:

    He has been fat and disgusting Mickey Mouse for over a decade but people always find him excuses over the years....

    "he isnt fat","he soudned good in 2010","he had throat problems","he is in good mood and crack jokes" etc just bullshit...he has been finished for 15 years now...and he even sounded awful on CD.:fyou::mickey:


    I don't care if you don't like CD: I don't like the way he sang a lot of it either but don't tell me was shit in 2010 because he was literally better and more consistent than 1992 when all he could do was hoarsely scream with no range.



  7. 2 hours ago, Sydney fan said:

    Izzy has been making music post guns(11 albums). Quality i guess is subjective, but he did have a creative work ethic so i give him that.

    It was nice to see the youtube vids when he did some appearances i think in 2012.

    I have always thought the big 3 was izzy,axl,duff mainly on songwriting , conpositions etc. I just find muff overrated in the band, he may not have sold his share like izzy, but with that still aside why should muff get more than izzy?.  I Like @JordanRose post to.


    Duff should get more than Izzy because Izzy has done literally nothing in 30 years to keep the GN'R brand alive and has nothing to do with the business/legal partnership. The fact he was a main songwriter doesn't mean shit when it come to who gets "loot" from touring today. Roger Waters and David Gilmour don't pay eachother when they're both playing Floyd Songs they co-wrote on opposite sides of the world. Izzy gets his royalties for his songwriting.


    Since he left in 1991 he has never wanted to re-join as a permanent touring member whilst Slash and Duff would have gone back at any point from the late 90s on if Axl wanted to play nice and they've worked hard to keep their profiles as high as possible in the meantime and also co-license the GNR brand and songs with Axl. 


    I don't see why Izzy would get to come back after 30 years for however many shows, almost certainly not be able to play close to Fortus' level, not make one bit of difference in ticket sales, and demand equal loot.

  8. Don't agree with this idea that it would have made no difference having Stinson instead of Duff. The "Big 3" thing is legit, marketing-wise. To the casuals filling stadiums in 2016-2020 seeing those three together across the front of the stage is bigger and more legit than if it were just Axl and Slash taking turns on the ego ramp. Duff looks like a star, he has an aura. Izzy didn't even look like a star in 1991. There were people screaming for Slash at many shows in 2001-2002. Nobody was screaming for Duff though they would have preferred him and nobody gave two shits about Izzy, we'd already had Gilby for Chrissakes. And don't forget Velvet Revolver. Duff picked up a good amount of cache from that. Fall To Pieces and Slither were fucking huge on TV and I know a shitload of people who weren't even Guns fans who got into VR at that time. The tiniest fraction of hardcores at a show have a clue or care that Izzy was integral to the songwriting. They also know that he's forgotten how to play and would never be able to get his chops back and go through with a tour like NITL so who cares. 


    As for whether he deserves equal loot if he miraculously did do a full tour: no fucking way. A,S&D have been out there busting their asses for years on the road keeping their brand(s) alive. Izzy has never had to work since he left because he earns more in royalties than most people can dream of earning. His lazy ass got advanced money by TB in 2006 for multiple shows he couldn't even be fucked to tell them he wasn't showing up for. He should get a decent chunk but not some kinda equal split.

  9. On 3/24/2021 at 11:06 PM, Donald Trump said:

    Sapiens by Yuval Noah Harari:

    How we became the dominant species by organizing on mass around different narrative fictions such as religion, countries, and currencies. 





    Enormous intellect, so much wrong in this book. If I were a billionaire I would pay whatever money it took for Harari, Christopher Hitchens and Richard Dawkins to go to Peru and spend a month working with ayahuasca, psilocybin etc and for reading they'd have all of Graham Hancock's books as well as Terrance McKenna.


    Kafka On The Shore - Haruki Murakami


    Immigration, Identity and Islam - Douglas Murray


    12 Rules For Life - Jordan Peterson


    Edit: I know C.Hitchens died in 2011. 

  10. The idea that Fat Cunt has been sat on more Bucket stuff like Twat for 2 decades is insane. 


    I've been listening to 2002 boots for the first time in 15 years and Axl's voice at the time actually blends perfectly with Bucket's tone. 


    In hindsight I wish Axl had just abandoned the GN'R brand and just made music with Bucket, Brain and whoever was around. 


    To a lot of teens and twenty-somethings today, Dave Grohl is a god. Axl is some fat, has-been relic who can't sing and looks nothing like himself. 

  11. 2 hours ago, RedHook said:



    This one takes the cake.

    He sounds like a dying cat. 😁

    but I don't want the automatic hit on my YouTube so I uploaded it here instead.


    Better live in Miami 2020





    Notice how they are too embarressed by Axl to put him on the big video screen behind the stage. His Fatness is kept on the small screens in the corner.:lol:





    I just don't get it. He can hear himself in his monitors and it sounds even worse than blasted through the system. 


    The screen thing, though: that's been standard since 2002. Always seemed like most of the set had the same shitty graphics on the main screen so the people at the back can't see shit. 

  12. 23 hours ago, Faxl Rows said:


    All I can think is that people in 2001-02 must have felt he was done at that point too. I agree with you though, seeing as that was 20 years ago. 


    I want him to carry on as he is now though, as the overall hilarity is greater than the sadness of seeing someone go beyond self-parody. 


    No way, man. No, no, no. Lol. Sure, there was some confusion and people didn't necessarily understand that he was choosing to sing without drive but it wasn't a case of people thinking he was done. The 2002 VMAs were really confusing because he sounded like utter shit compared to literally every other performance up to that point since Rio. But we're talking about the days of it taking literally an hour to download a single mp3 file on dial-up; no YouTube. Unless you lived in a city and had access to some kinda broadband it was hard to download the video files of bootleg shows. And we didn't have the benefit of hindsight from 06-10 showing us how ridiculously versatile his voice still was. So it was kinda more just not knowing exactly what to think. We didn't have leaks yhet to show that he would sing clean on most of the album. The Boston Promo had classic-Axl-sounding vocals on Madagascar but Chinese and Blues sounded clean. Then when the Piazza IRS leaked in 2003 it was more obvious that, ok, this is how he's choosing to sing now. 


    But i've got audience cam shows from Cleveland, Albany, all that shit, and people in the cheap seats are absolutely losing their shit for the Jungle and LALD screams. I remember one guy keeps telling his friend how he saw him in 92 and this is the best he's ever heard him. 


    When he was singing clean it wasn't the pathetic, powerless falsetto he uses now just to get through a show. Go back and listen now for comparison and that head voice he used was powerful as fuck. It did sound a little wobbly in places but there's also more drive here and there than I even remembered.


    Here's a perfect example. It was definitely jarring for anyone who just got used to remembering hoarse, screeching Illusions Axl, but I just remember playing people those Jungle screams and them going 'Holy fucking shit, dude.'


  13. On 1/17/2021 at 1:38 AM, wasted said:

    Axl is basically the Bob Dylan of hair metal, the band is put together by people like Tommy or Duff and then Axl has his pick like Bucket. Izzy and Steven are out because of insurance issues cited by the promoters. Axl sings in falsetto Mickey to make things more interesting for himself and as a protest to his slavery. 


    If he wants he can go Axl DC. Is it a coincidence when CD came out Axl was on fire vocally? When they wouldn’t release CD II in 2010 he checked out. 


    I expect if a new record comes out Axl will get back on the bike and be Axl Guns again. Bring back the oxygen tent. 

     No way, there wont be another vocal resurrection. I watched some of those more recent shows and he was trying so damn hard. And not to sound like 2006-2010 but just to fucking sing the songs anyhow. He literally can't sing Better anymore, had to drop TIL which used to be effortless. It's not there. He was mid-late 40s when he was killing it and Axl/DC emptied the tank. 

  14. 16 hours ago, Sydney fan said:

    Hardcore fans are more likely to want to throw money at the band compared to casuals, yet its the casuals who the band want as fans and the hardcore fans to fuck off.  

    Other bands such as metallica embrace the fanbase and do interactive Q&As frequently. Even slash does Q&As and has an active social media account with conspirators but when it comes to GNR its all 🤫.

    Axl complains about the hardcore fans, but is more than happy to have hanger-oners in the "inner circle" MLS and Jarmo in particular. How the fuck did these 2 be apart of the inner circle?.



    Unless I missed something MSL was never on the inside. He had some ranty phone calls from beta and that's it. 

  15. He hates us. Years ago one regular Gyna member talked to him at some party and Axl was basically bitching about the online/hardcore fans and this dude was actually getting through to him trying to make him see a different perspective. Del kept sticking his oar in trying to pull Axl away until Axl snapped and told Del to do one. 


    It sucks but there's no other way it could be (unless you count Jarmo and the psycho on their boards talking to themselves). A bunch of shit leaked and the response was overwhelmingly positive like, can we please buy this, and the response we get from his official manager is 'Move on.' 


    So fuck you, fatty. 


    Now he gets paid by the stadiums of casual, soft-fans who barely know the lyrics to Paradise so why should he care two shits about us or releasing shit?

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