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Let's talk Izzy

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This gay little "everyone mattered!" circlejerk is so far removed from the point.

 

Izzy brought an (admittedly low level) classic rock influence that none of the other 80s shitrock bands really had. That low level classic rock influence was all it took to separate GNR from their shitrock peers and keep them from making Poison level trash.

 

Left to his own devices it's clear how basic and unevolved Izzy's sound is, but it's all GNR needed to elevate glam into something listenable.

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Adler is/was best drummer the band has ever had.

 

i believe he is the only  replaceable  member of the AFD 5.

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18 minutes ago, bacardimayne said:

This gay little "everyone mattered!" circlejerk is so far removed from the point.

 

Izzy brought an (admittedly low level) classic rock influence that none of the other 80s shitrock bands really had. That low level classic rock influence was all it took to separate GNR from their shitrock peers and keep them from making Poison level trash.

 

Left to his own devices it's clear how basic and unevolved Izzy's sound is, but it's all GNR needed to elevate glam into something listenable.

 

I agree.  I wish Maynard could comprehend this sort of reasoning.  

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5 hours ago, Bill Brasky said:

Real GNR musicly is Axl ,Slash ,Duff and Izzy.

 

insert any drummer GNR has ever had not named frank and you are good.

 

 

Frank with his shit fast drumming > Brain

Couldn't care less about Matt

That being said, if you really elevate Duff then you should elevate Steven too

 

Real GNR musically: Axl, Izzy, Slash

Real GNR stage presence: Axl, Slash, Duff

Real GNR in 2017: well, they disbanded in 1993 (or even in 1990-91ish) so...

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4 hours ago, bacardimayne said:

This gay little "everyone mattered!" circlejerk is so far removed from the point.

 

Izzy brought an (admittedly low level) classic rock influence that none of the other 80s shitrock bands really had. That low level classic rock influence was all it took to separate GNR from their shitrock peers and keep them from making Poison level trash.

 

Left to his own devices it's clear how basic and unevolved Izzy's sound is, but it's all GNR needed to elevate glam into something listenable.

So Izzy brought in the 70's Aerosmith feel? I thought that was Slash and Axl

Izzy is far far over rated around here. Classic rock doesn't equate as the Rolling Stones licks ONLY

Needless to say: he was an integral part of the original (yes, original, not classic) band. He was there since day 1. Nobody can deny that, not even maynard with the boresville "yelling nightraaaain" joke

 

Everyone mattered. Proof: AFD.

None other GNR album had that ammount of legacy and consistently good songs. With or without Izzy, period

Just look at the average GNR setlist in every incarnation of the band: apart from 1991, they always play mostly AFD songs

Just look at Axl: he rather play cover songs than UYi songs or CD songs. That speaks volumes about the latter two records

 

 

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15 hours ago, altered beast said:

 

 

I agree.  I wish Maynard could comprehend this sort of reasoning.  

I disagree. I think both Izzy and Slash brought something that no other band had at the time. It's not like Izzy convinced Slash to start using Les Pauls and ripping off Aerosmith. Slash was never a shredder/glam metal guy. Will you asslickers give Izzy credit for this too? Izzy was not special, he was not the one to save GNR from mediocrity. It was a case of the sum of the parts creating something unique.

 

When joblesscardi talks about this "gay little 'everyone mattered' circlejerk", it's him overrating Izzy because he's an idiot, not being reasonable at all.

 

I mean, there's audio, video, books and fucktons of material that prove Slash was into classic rock and he influenced the GNR sound equally or even more than Izzy. Why rewrite history? Because Slash is in and Izzy is out of GNR as of 2017? Because Izzy is cool? :lol:

 

Never denied Izzy's importance and never will. But if you think Izzy was the main (or only) factor for GNR not go glam metal, you are an idiot. Hey, I already know you two are idiots, I shouldn't be surprised. :lol:

 

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14 hours ago, Budd Dwyer said:

So Izzy brought in the 70's Aerosmith feel? I thought that was Slash and Axl

Izzy is far far over rated around here. Classic rock doesn't equate as the Rolling Stones licks ONLY

Needless to say: he was an integral part of the original (yes, original, not classic) band. He was there since day 1. Nobody can deny that, not even maynard with the boresville "yelling nightraaaain" joke

 

Everyone mattered. Proof: AFD.

None other GNR album had that ammount of legacy and consistently good songs. With or without Izzy, period

Just look at the average GNR setlist in every incarnation of the band: apart from 1991, they always play mostly AFD songs

Just look at Axl: he rather play cover songs than UYi songs or CD songs. That speaks volumes about the latter two records

 

 


I don't think it speaks volumes about the UYI records other than that Axl doesn't really like those songs. The UYI albums were a commercial and critical success which continued selling long after the tour ended. CD was received lukewarm critically and tanked commercially. To compare the two  - The UYIs being composed by the actual band, and CD, composed by Axl and employees - is unfair. 
 

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7 hours ago, Miser said:


I don't think it speaks volumes about the UYI records other than that Axl doesn't really like those songs. The UYI albums were a commercial and critical success which continued selling long after the tour ended. CD was received lukewarm critically and tanked commercially. To compare the two  - The UYIs being composed by the actual band, and CD, composed by Axl and employees - is unfair. 
 

My point was: GNR=AFD plus November Rain and maybe Patience.

At least for the majority of the public eye

UYI's were big back in the day. I joined the fanbase when those records came out so i was there. Still, how many people remembers the songs from the UYI records compared to the AFD songs? 

Nobody cares about Chinese Democracy anymore (except a handful of nerds in the internet forums and some south american idiots)

It's not an unfair comparison, because Axl decided to take over the brandname and continued under the GNR name. Every comparison is fair, despite the fact that deep down inside all GNR nerds know the band practically ended after 1993

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15 hours ago, Budd Dwyer said:

My point was: GNR=AFD plus November Rain and maybe Patience.

 

Your point was wrong.

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42 minutes ago, GUNNER said:

 

Your point was wrong.

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At least for the majority of the public eye

Stop quoting me, if you don't even understand the context of a post

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1 hour ago, Budd Dwyer said:

Stop quoting me, if you don't even understand the context of a post

 

:lol:

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